(d20 Atlas) Deciding on Regent's Vitals

[Osprey]

Carilon Alam (NE male Anuirean, Nbl 2/Scion 1 [Basaïa, major, 46])

I have him as N5/Sc1. 3rd level seems a tad low considering the terrible position he's in geographically.

I have no problem w/ upping his level, tho he does seem to have a history of not-so-brilliant schemes that are foiled - not something that speaks well of his competence.

Ghorien Hiriele (CE male Anuirean, Rog 9 [Anduiras, minor, 20])

Why so high? He needs only be 6th level to take the Master feats. Perhaps Rg 7 might be more in order.

Guilder Kalien (NE male half-elf, Rog 8/Scion 1 [Brenna, major, 30])

Ditto. Perhaps Rg5/Sc1.

The difference is that at 9th level, they could have 2 feats; Kalien would have Spymaster and Master Diplomat; Hiriele, Master Administrator and Master Merchant. Southern and Central Anuire have a distinct lack of competent guilders - every one is pathetically low level, which means PC guilders have a rather easy time of it compared to any other type of regent there. Given Hiriele's massive domain, I don't think this is justified by making him being low-mid level, especially with such a weak bloodline. Similarly, Kalien's history of success seems to justify a man who is very competent, skilled at keeping the big guys busy and everyone else dancing to his tune. That takes real skills in addition to a decent bloodline. The main idea is that by making these two high level, we set up a couple of strong villain regents amongst the guilds, better matching the array of other regent types in the region (Gavin Tael, Jaison Raenech, Hierl Diem, OIT, HA, MOC, Aelies, Sword Mage, Swamp Mage, Caine).

My general feeling is that NPCs' levels should match up with their background stories and domains to a certain extent. Which means the most successful and competent regents should have correspondingly higher levels of experience, much as PC's would in their positions. This is based on an assumption that successful domain actions will earn a regent XP as readily as adventuring.

Laela Flaertes (NG female half-elf, Brd 4 [Brenna, minor, 35])

I think N4 would be better.

I love that Laela is a bard - I've made it a major theme of my campaign. It makes her very skilled at what she does best: diplomacy. But it also makes her not the greatest of land and law regents, something reflected by the number of foreign law holdings in her realm. What Laela really needs is a few good lieutenenat with some admin and lead skills (granted, her finding a Lt. she can trust is very difficult...). If she was already good at these sklls, I doubt she'd be in her current position of only controlling about half of Tuornen's law.

Eluvie Cariele (CG female Anuirean, Rgr 2 [Masela, minor, 23])

Should be N2 or N3 since the Coeranys court is well known as a centre of courtly learning.

Really? Well, that's news to me - a tidbit from the PS book? From RoE all I learned of Coeranys was it's reputation for fine horses and its ranger Landrunners. I had assumed that Eluvie had trained in that tradition, as a kind of frontier-style regent. Seems odd that such an undeveloped realm would be renowned for courtly learning. Though given her bloodline and heritage, Noble levels could certainly be justified too.

Caliedhe Dosiere (LG male Anuirean, Mag 7/Nbl 13/Scion 2 [Anduiras, great, 64])

I think I like CD more as a Wizard than a Magician. Perhaps he should be Sc2/W10/N10?

Well, unless we're adapting the no specialist Diviners among wizards for the revised BRCS, I agree that Calidhe should be a specialist wizard rather than a magician. I really can't imagine a scion with a great bloodline choosing the Lesser Path of magicians rather than true wizardy. As for source holdings, well: there's the College of Sorcery standing as a rather formidable wall in that regard. However, Calidhe's standing as a wizard would likely earn him far more respect and cooperation from the College than as a magician. Also, I very much dislike the notion that every true mage needs to be a source regent -just because they can doesn't mean they think it best to do so (especially if it brings you into conflict with some very powerful rivals, like the masters of the Royal College).

Entier Gladanil (NE male Anuirean, Nbl 5 [Anduiras, minor, 20])

I'm thinking he should be Rg2/N2

That works too.

[Osprey]

Fhylie the Sword (CG female half-elf, Clr 6 (Cuiraécen) [Anduiras, minor, 18])

What if Fhylie were a Paladin of Cuiraecen rather than a Cleric, assuming she had a Cleric as a main Lt.? This would emphasize the militant focus of the order rather well, making her a Pal 6 (Cuiraecen). Just an idea.

[Osprey]

If the family is dynastic, and the Regent is likely to have been raised as a Noble, we can replace about 1/2 or more of the levels of Fighter or Thief with Noble levels. The difficulty comes in determining which families are dynastic.
Alam, Avan, Boeruine, Careile, Diem, Dosiere, Flaertes, Mhoried, Mierelien, Moergan, and Tael are all examples of lines that would have produced Nobles in the current generation. I leave the Swordwraith line out because she is primarily a Ranger who came out of the Erebannien to take out the despot and ignore Roesone, since it is only a 3rd or 4th generation ruling family, and still would have primarily pure military training in the mould of Daen Roesone.

I think this is good general reasoning, however I would use it as set of guidelines rather than a hard rule: these would be the families most likely to produce Noble-class characters, but then again noble dynasties are nothing if not quirky, eccentric, and filled with exceptions. Look at Harold Khorien and Laela Flaertes as examples - one a wizard who inherited a powerful realm, yet he all he wants to do is pursue his arcane studies; the other a half-elven lover of art and song who reluctantly became duchess...given her bardic class and elven blood, I suspect Laela was raised among her mother's people more than her father's court, or at the least wished she was and ignored her noble education to some extent.

To your list I would add Taeghas, Daouta, and the next generation of Roesone's line (Marlae's children). Also, I'd add that in addition to these known blooded dynasties, there should be a fair mass of hereditary Nobles who aren't regents from which regents can recruit able Lts. and Advisors.

[Angelbialaska]

My guess would be that we would see the Mierelen family (Brosengae) as Nobles. The details in the book is that it's a long line of rulers and guilders, with an excessive need for the best court in all of Anuire, with the Mierelen setting the style for the nobility. Seems fitting for them to be Nobles, wouldn't it? Living in the court most of the time doesn't exactly teach you how to backstab people, it learns you how to competently rule a realm.

[Angelbialaska]

Caliedhe Dosiere (LG male Anuirean, Mag 7/Nbl 13/Scion 2 [Anduiras, great, 64])

Any particular reason to change him a lot? I agree that his fighter levels should become Noble levels, but there's nothing wrong with him bring a wizard. So he would be Noble 13/Diviner 16/Scion 2. That would make him the strongest non-Awnsheglien in Anuire, which makes sense considering that he's all the way back from Deismaar.

[A_dark]

Is there some unknown to me, reason that HMA has been so much demoted? Also, in general, am I the only one who does not feel comfortable with the amount of multiclassing? Also, some people make suggestions for actual changes and not just 3rd edition updates (eg making Fhhylie a paladin). Do you think this is necessary and is this the scope of the project? I was under the impression that we were just to convert and not to change stuff. To my knowledge there IS such a paladin leading a temple and that's the leader of the Shield of Halaia in Khinasi. If the designer intended to have another paladin leading a temple, why wouldn't they have done so? And in any case, in 2nd ed the paladin and the priest of Cuiarecen were very very similar IMHO.

[irdeggman]

Originally posted by Angelbialaska@Nov 9 2004, 05:28 AM

Caliedhe Dosiere (LG male Anuirean, Mag 7/Nbl 13/Scion 2 [Anduiras, great, 64])

Any particular reason to change him a lot? I agree that his fighter levels should become Noble levels, but there's nothing wrong with him bring a wizard. So he would be Noble 13/Diviner 16/Scion 2. That would make him the strongest non-Awnsheglien in Anuire, which makes sense considering that he's all the way back from Deismaar.

It is only "rumored" that this is the same Dosiere who was with Michael Roele. This has been a topic of much discussion on the boards throughout the years. IMO it is best to follow the 2nd ed "total levels" as close as possible (scion levels being added for balance non withstanding. This would leave it up to the DM whether or not they want him to be near eternal. Basically players shouldn't know this information.

IMO making a him a magician vice a wizard fits his history and place in the setting much better. Especially using Osprey's redoing of the magician class.

The chamberlain's function seems to be more of a diviner and seer rather than a true wizard. Remember the context that this was used in. In 2nd ed he could not be a diviner - it was a forbidden specialty in BR.

Again the only source he could have access to is is the RCS, which is a shared source by the rulers of the RCS. Basically a 0-level source tied via ley lines to the others' sources and supposedly used for instructional purposes. So in order to use this source the chamberlain would have to have permission, etc. of the source holders.

Naa he is more subtle than that, fitting the role of chamberlain. A role that the magician class fits pretty well - stealthy, not too flashy and high on spells that fall into the Illusion/divination and bard-type role best.

[Achab]

Some of the regents from RoE have bloodline abilities of greater level than their bloodline strenght entitles them to according to the latest sanctioned Chapter 2 of d20 BRCS. On the other hand they have less blood abilities than they can get according to the same source. And others have some minor abilities although having too low bloodline score to have any.
How are you going to treat this ? Will you just drop the abilities , or will you adjust them to a lower level ? Or will you replace them with several lower level abilities ? This is even more important with the awnshegliens, where it is far most common, probably because most of them are described in detail in BE:AoC.

Here are some examples of what I am talking about :
Aeric Boeruine (LN male Anuirean, Ftr 10/Nbl 2/Scion 1 [An, major, 60]) has Resistance (great)
Grim Graybeard (LG male dwarf, Ftr 5/Clr 6 (Moradin)/Scion 1 [Anduiras, major, 38]) has Courage (great)
Guilder Kalien (NE male half-elf, Rog 8/Scion 1 [Brenna, major, 30]) has Shadow-form (great)

[The Jew]

This is my assumption, not based upon any actual knowledge.

Bouriene's and Greybeards bloodlines are probably a mistake. I'm pretty sure they are both Great's. If any regents actually have their bloodline strength reduced or need to gain/lose powers because of new formulas for distributing them, then their abilities will be reduced appropriately or they will gain the neccesary number of new ones to meet BRCS rules.

[First Horseman]

Raesene Andu,Aug 29 2004, 04:25 PM][*]Torele Anviras (LE male Anuirean, Wiz 10/Scion 1 [Anduiras, major, 35])

I don't know why Torele Anviras is LE in the d20 Atlas write up. His original backgroud write up from, the PS: Talinie, it stated that:

Torele is loyal to Talinie, but sfter his long stay in the Elven Court he feels alienated from both elves and humans. He rude, bad-tempered, and melanch. He gives the regent no more respect than he does his wretched, distorted servants...

I would have peg him for Lawful Neutral for the service he's given the kingdom. Okay yes, he did create a new magical process, which allows him to draw mebhaighl (magical energy), from cultivated province (as if there was no one living in the province), through the uses of the person's own energy, (essentially aging them very quickly or killing them). But that was for the Thane to decide to use at his or her disposal.

I'm not sure if that process was put down in writing, however, a Lawful Neutral (leaning towards evil perhaps to represent the spell he created) or Chatic Neutral to represent the outcome of his long years learning magic with the elves in Tuarhievel.