On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Arjan wrote:

> No these were priests of kriesha that gave him all the financial
> support to establish (ie: create holding) the temple

Regardless of where he got the money, if the PC creates the holding, he
gets to pick which god it is dedicated to. If his backers created the
holding, they could make a temple to Kriesha, and then invest him with it
claiming it was a temple to Sera -- but just because they gave him the
resources doesn`t mean they automatically control what he does with them,
or indeed have any say at all!

I suppose what you`re talking about could be modeled as a sort of strange
Espionage action which would cause the holding he created to be one he
didn`t plan on, but letting that be a common occurrence would throw the
whole campaign into utter chaos. Again, some sort of special secret realm
spell should be able to have set things up appropriately, and the plotters
would need to be very careful to prevent any sign of it leaking out.

> The temple name was GIVEN to the PC Priest, the group gave the name to
> the priest. as in we give you money to... and the name will be The
> Circle of the White Coin

I still say there is a big difference, both in game mechanics and in real
life, between "Here is some money; please use it to make this thing for
us" and "We have made this thing; please take over its operation for us."
Did they give him the money and ask him to create the holding, or did they
create the holding and then invest him with it?

> the Temple IS a "covert" holding, thus in fact a temple of Kriesha,
> but lead by a puppet PC brecht priest of sera who doent know that.

I will admit to never having liked the idea of covert holdings, but I am
nevertheless trying to play along in good faith.

> the group that are "supporting" him also gave him certain rules,
> such as: the lady must be addressed as: the lady of wealth and trade
> in all prayers. (so call sera or kriesha by name is not allowed)

OK, that is definitely part of what I meant about designing a misdirection
ritual that would pass casual scrutiny. What does the PC think of these
restrictions? Has he ever broken (or considered breaking) them? How did
(or would) his backers respond?

> Not if this is posible...because i already did, so it is :)

=)

> but.... how you guys/gals would handly such a covert holding led by a puppet.

What I would say is, in order for it to be possible his backers would have
had to put in a great deal of effort before ever speaking to him for the
first time. Therefore, since their plan seems to be succeeding, they must
have actually done all that work even if you hadn`t previously imagined
them doing so. How`s that for working by DM fiat? =)

Seriously, to get this right is a difficult undertaking. The PC`s
Krieshan backers would have to have known this, and planned accordingly.


Ryan Caveney

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