Heraldry

[Elton Robb]

English and Scottish admiration of the Lion as kingly brings up Daniel and Herakles. What exactly are Anuireans thinking?

I have no idea, but the English adopted the Lion because the monarchs of England claim descendancy from Judah (and there is no way to tell for sure). We, the United States, assumed the Eagle in our coat of arms because of what the Eagle represents. The most majestic bird in the sky (although Benjamin Franklin argued for the turkey) is the Eagle.

Now that aside, there is awfully nothing stopping you from changing the details of your campaign. If Andurias' totem animal is the Eagle and Basaia's the Lion; then go for it.

[kgauck]

America adopted the Eagle as the Roman symbol, being that we too were a republic. We also went very Roman in all of our architecture of state and selected Roman names instead of British names for our instituitions, such as the Senate. Things Roman were very fasionable, Washington had English translations of Romans plays put on for the army.

[Elton Robb]

America adopted the Eagle as the Roman symbol, being that we too were a republic. We also went very Roman in all of our architecture of state and selected Roman names instead of British names for our instituitions, such as the Senate. Things Roman were very fasionable, Washington had English translations of Romans plays put on for the army.

Still, the Arms as they were made was different than from the British Arms. The Great Seal wasn't, however. Thanks for that, I've apparently forgotten that little fact.

[Sorontar]

You are making Australia look like the twisted reality it sometimes is. We have a Senate (the upper house, which represents the states) and a House of Representatives (the lower house, which represent the people). Our arms are supported by such fantastic creatures as the legendary kangaroo and an emu. I have no idea what we were trying to emulate, bearing in mind that Australia has only been a federal commonwealth of states and territories for 106 years.

Sorontar.

[ConjurerDragon]

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> Lions are kings of the beasts, and so suit Haelyn, except that he`s also an air diety, so why not the king of the sky, the Eagle? If that was all that was at stake, its half a dozen of one, and six of the other. But the Empire is the eagle too. Why take the Imperial symbol from Basia rather than Haelyn?
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> The thing about Lions actually being in Khinasi only reinforces that there is a displacement issue here. Lions were cool because the heros of the Mediteranean, both Biblical and Classical fought Lions. Why do Anuireans like lions? Because they secretly admire Khinasi? Because all Anuirean heros really did the coolest stuff in Khinasi?
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> English and Scottish admiration of the Lion as kingly brings up Daniel and Herakles. What exactly are Anuireans thinking?
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There might have been some Daniels and Herakles?s in the older history
of the Andu, perhaps even before the empire was born. Aduria with it?s
beastmen could be the place where lions dwell just as well as in the
khir-aften-el-Arrasi.

Why not simply use the sword as the symbol of rulership for Haelyn?

[ryancaveney]

I always had a problem with the fact that the air god gets a lion (an animal actually found in Khinasi) and the Khinasi god gets the flying animal.

OK, if we're changing that too, then sure! Eagle for Haelyn and Anduiras, lion for Avani and Basaia. As long as the totems match within each pair, I'm happy either way.


Ryan

[ryancaveney]

Haelyn an air god?? Not in his portfolio - Noble god of war etc Can I have a reference.

The original rulebook.

Haelyn's description on page 74 says he inherited the power of Anduiras. The blood ability Elemental Control (p. 25) says very clearly that Anduiras was the god of air, just as Basaia was fire, Masela water and Reynir earth. Therefore, summoning air elementals and casting gust of wind, as examples of the manifest power of the blood of Anduiras, are definitely things that Haelyn's scriptures and spells should still support. His priests have major spell access to the Elemental (Air) sphere, just as the sea goddess, Nesirie, grants major access to Elemental (Water) and the sun goddess, Avani, grants major access to Elemental (Fire). Anduiras was also nobility, courage, rulership and lawful war, as well as air -- everything Anduiras was, Haelyn was also, which includes elemental air.


Ryan

[Thelandrin]

It makes sense for Haelyn, the god of noble warfare to have a lion as his totem animal, simply because the lion is the noble warrior of the beasts.

Then again, if we're changing things, we need to look at the ehrsheglien requirements, as most (not all) ehrsheghlien end up having to be Lawful Neutral...

[Gwrthefyr]

I have no idea, but the English adopted the Lion because the monarchs of England claim descendancy from Judah (and there is no way to tell for sure). We, the United States, assumed the Eagle in our coat of arms because of what the Eagle represents. The most majestic bird in the sky (although Benjamin Franklin argued for the turkey) is the Eagle.

Now that aside, there is awfully nothing stopping you from changing the details of your campaign. If Andurias' totem animal is the Eagle and Basaia's the Lion; then go for it.

The Lion came from the arms of Normandy or Aquitaine (or both); Stephen of Blois, for example, apparently had something like a Wemic on them.

[Jaleela]

I have no idea, but the English adopted the Lion because the monarchs of England claim descendancy from Judah (and there is no way to tell for sure). We, the United States, assumed the Eagle in our coat of arms because of what the Eagle represents. The most majestic bird in the sky (although Benjamin Franklin argued for the turkey) is the Eagle.

Now that aside, there is awfully nothing stopping you from changing the details of your campaign. If Andurias' totem animal is the Eagle and Basaia's the Lion; then go for it.

England adopted the leopard, not the lion. The arms of england are gules, three leopards passant? guardant or. They remained thus until Edward III laid claim to the throne of France, through his mothers right, after the death of the last Capet king. Modern quarterings of Englands arms have been more than adequately covered by Kenneth - but you had the wrong big cats on the shield! They have nothing to do with the Anglo-Israeli delusion of the late 18th century onward, Medieval Englishmen believed the country was founded by the Trojans, not Jews. Jews were expelled from ENgland in the early 13th century, in fact, and were looked on with the greatest predjudice.

Scotland, on the other hand, has been Or, a lion rampant Gules, a border gules treasure-fleury, counter-fleury, since at least the mid 13th century.