Regency vs Class

[Elton Robb]

Reply to 2nd thought with my 2nd thought:
Yes, Birthright could continue restricting multiclass with some mechanic. I am against this because I like the customization that 3E brings.

Corrollary: Yes, customization is possible. But if you remember, multiclassing brings an experience penalty, plus your Uber-Regent would be somewhat lacking in his abilities. Trying to do everything at once brings psychic meltdown.

A classic example is in the Bible, when Moses was leading Israel out of Egypt. Moses was a good example of the Uber-Regent, he tried to do everything at once, it was aging him. My brother also held a leadership position, in which he tried to do everything at once. Doing so made him seem to age by 10 years.

What I'm trying to say is, sure you can create an Uber-Regent, and teach him how to learn to use sources and manage a temple guild, but it's impossible to manage everything and stay within a manageable stress level.

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Reply to 3rd thought with my 3rd thought:
My desire is based on personal experience and the idea that RP collection should not be based on class but simply on the ruler that owns the holding. An Overlord character is nothing new, the best example of which would be the Gorgan, but this is beside the point. What really started this post was my dismay at the difference between law holdings and other types of holdings. Law holdings add to domain but generate little income and the main advantage of a law holding, an army, costs massive amounts of GB. Compare this with an guild or temple holding that generates good income and gives a free action per turn and a law holder can feel a bit left behind.
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Corrollary: Any regent may control any holding. But just because he controls it doesn't mean he knows how to use it to gain Regency. Case in point, the White Witch. A bad example when comparing Province Holdings with Temple Holdings and Guild Holdings to be sure. But she also controls the Source Holdings in her realm.

She doesn't gain Regency from her source holdings, though. She's not a wizard, she's a cleric. A Cleric of Karesha. She doesn't know the first thing about controling a source. She just controls them to keep others from taking the source.

Conclusion:
The Regency Restrictions exist in 2e for a reason. Just like the Experience Point penalties exist for a reason in 3e. Removing the Regency Restrictions opens a new can of worms, especially in campaigns dealing with Collective Rule or the High King scenarios.

If you remember, these options promote team work among the players in ruling a domain or a small empire. Every player gets a piece of the regency, and every player works towards common goals.

Take the restrictions away, and these two campaign scenarios become meaningless and will have to be adjusted to accomodate the new scheme. The result is potentially anarchic to a game. Quarrelling among the players will result, something which other regents can take advantage of quickly (I.E. Gavin Taele can invade your realm while the regents bicker over who has control over what).

Elton Robb

[geeman]

At 02:52 PM 10/16/2002 +0200, Gavin Cetaine wrote:

>As a late comer to the BR world, I don`t personally own all the
>materials. Currently, our group is breaking in a new player to the field
>of domain actions. Our person, who keep track of all the rules we don`t
>often have to refer to stated that the rule was 1 free action per domain
>turn. Since that occurred at our last session, it was the most recent
>information I had. Thank you for the correction.

There is actually a bit of confusion regarding the number of free actions a
regent can take. As Michael
pointed out the cardboard does say that a regent can take 1 free action per
domain turn per character level s/he has, but the Rulebook doesn`t mention
any such restriction. The description of Free Actions in the RB reads:

Free actions don`t count against a regent`s three actions, but they do
count against a nonregent PC`s three actions. A regent can take as many
free actions as he wishes at any time before the actin rounds begin. After
that, free actions must be declared during the regent`s turn of the action
round.

When it comes to the number of free actions available, I think they should
be pretty much unlimited, so I ignore the card. Free actions are generally
the types of things that don`t register at the domain level time scale at
all, or that would be the rationale for them being free to begin with. One
could spend a lot of time crafting a decree, but it could also be something
as simple as an announcement. Similarly, it probably shouldn`t take a
whole lot of time to hand some money to another character a law the Grant
action. Those things could take a lot of time if handled personally (if
the regent had to actually scribe the decree himself or count the money
handed over) but at the domain level they`re the kinds of things that a
regent can order and expect the "machine" of the domain to kick in to take
care of them.

If really wants some sort of limitation, character level doesn`t seem
particularly apt. Maybe something more like intelligence score....

Gary

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[irdeggman]

I think that the reference to 1 free action per domain turn was actually refering to the priest's free agitate and the thief's free espionage. I generally refered to these as "bonus" actions so as not to confuse them with the other "free" actions which were always considered to be minor actions, such as decrees and such. Remeber that in 2nd ed it was impossible to be a multi-class thief/priest so it was not possible to gain a "bonus" agitate and a "bonus" espionage action.:)

[geeman]

At 12:40 AM 10/17/2002 +0200, irdeggman wrote:

>I generally refered to these as "bonus" actions so as not to confuse them
>with the other "free" actions which were always considered to be minor
>actions, such as decrees and such.

That seems sensible. A free Agitate or Espionage are "bonus free" actions
for those character classes. Personally, I also limited those bonus free
actions to provinces in which the regent had the "proper" holding. ie. a
temple holding is required for a priest to get a free Agitate action in a
particular province, and a guild holding for a rogue.

>Remeber that in 2nd ed it was impossible to be a multi-class thief/priest
>so it was not possible to gain a "bonus" agitate and a "bonus" espionage
>action.:)

Thief/priest actually was an option for half-elves, and I don`t recall any
restriction on dual-classing.

Gary

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[ConjurerDragon]

Hello!

Gary wrote:

> At 12:40 AM 10/17/2002 +0200, irdeggman wrote:
> That seems sensible. A free Agitate or Espionage are "bonus free"
> actions
> for those character classes. Personally, I also limited those bonus free
> actions to provinces in which the regent had the "proper" holding. ie. a
> temple holding is required for a priest to get a free Agitate action in a
> particular province, and a guild holding for a rogue.
>
>> Remeber that in 2nd ed it was impossible to be a multi-class
>> thief/priest
>> so it was not possible to gain a "bonus" agitate and a "bonus" espionage
>> action.:)
>
>
> Thief/priest actually was an option for half-elves, and I don`t recall
> any
> restriction on dual-classing.

Except the ability score requirements to dual-class in 2E?
bye
Michael

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[geeman]

At 05:07 PM 10/17/2002 +0200, Michael Romes wrote:

>>Thief/priest actually was an option for half-elves, and I don`t recall
>>any restriction on dual-classing.
>
>Except the ability score requirements to dual-class in 2E?

Right, other than the (rather high) ability score requirements.

Gary

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