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    According to the Wiki, the Boeruine province of Nietier is ruled by Albion Stoneaxe, a dwarf. The wiki page for Albion says he is married to Dáire Khorien, daughter of Roger Khorien and Aurelia Boeruine. The page for Roger says

    "His daughter, Dáire is married to Count Albion Stoneaxe of Nietier and is concerned with her family and their political fortunes in Boeruine."

    Um, can this all be true if he is a dwarf and she is a human? What do the TSR publications say about him?

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    If I'm not mistaken, Albion Stoneaxe is the invention of Elton, and Dáire Khorien is mine. I may have overlooked the Dwarven heritage of Dáire's bridegroom. I'll see about moving her to someone more suitable.

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    At 12:34 AM 5/15/2008, Sorontar wrote:

    >According to the Wiki, the Boeruine province of
    >Nietier is ruled by Albion Stoneaxe, a dwarf.
    >The wiki page for Albion says he is married to
    >Dáire Khorien, daughter of Roger Khorien and Aurelia Boeruine.

    Technically, there`s no real BR reason they
    couldn`t be "married" in a legal, theological or
    even personal sense that I know of. It would be
    a pretty controversial pairing, though.

    It would be interesting if Albion Stoneaxe was a
    "dwarf" as in "little person" though, wouldn`t
    it? His name is very dwarf-sounding, of course,
    and I`m sure he was meant to be an actual BR
    dwarf, but it would make for a highly
    characteristic situation. There are some D20
    rules for such things in the adaptation of Martin`s Fire & Ice series....

    Gary

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    Love to see more about "The Defiance of Men". sounds like a cool site!

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    Cargaroth said:
    Love to see more about "The Defiance of Men".
    Well, it's rather ironic a title if it is commanded by a dwarf!

    Sorontar

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    As an interesting point, I sometimes wonder if dwarves - and for that matter elves - are recognised as another race, rather than as short stocky men and slender tall people respectively.

    Katherine Kerr comments on this in the Deverry saga - the elves are seen as people who crop their ears as a cultural trait and lie about immortality...

    Personally I see wealth, class and power being at least as important as race in the marriage stakes - a dwarf might find a good marriage difficult and some doors closed to them - but power attracts power and class is all about power...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorontar View Post
    Cargaroth said:


    Well, it's rather ironic a title if it is commanded by a dwarf!

    Sorontar
    That is a major irony. I really laughed out loud! LOL
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    Spoke with Elton and Dáire Khorien is now married to Harran Tielen of Rivien. I think I was matching bloodlines and overlooked the race of Albion. Probabaly took Stoneaxe to be a nickname. Now that I think about it, yeah that's obviously dwarven.

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    At 01:59 PM 5/16/2008, AndrewTall wrote:

    >As an interesting point, I sometimes wonder if dwarves - and for
    >that matter elves - are recognised as another race, rather than as
    >short stocky men and slender tall people respectively.
    >
    >Katherine Kerr comments on this in the Deverry saga - the elves are
    >seen as people who crop their ears as a cultural trait and lie about
    >immortality...

    Well, in the context of BR in which races of humans are
    differentiated pretty clearly and have different stats that game
    mechanically differ from how issues of "race" are normally handled,
    the elves and dwarves would have to be considered something else
    entirely. D&D shies away from actually saying things about "race"
    and what we would attributed to differences of species or even genus,
    but in that sense we might classify them as homo sylvanus or homo
    chthon, or something along those lines.

    Mythologically, races like dwarves and elves often both fit into a
    category of "fae" or similar magical races. The differences between
    them are distinct and would appear obvious from the human POV, but
    their bodies are a sort of not-so-subtle manifestations of what would
    probably be viewed as subtle expressions of their true, spiritual
    forms. They would remain very distinctly different from humans, though.

    So, all that said, I do like the idea that they are a culture more
    than a race per se. It`s hard to overlook the differences between
    humans and BR elves and dwarves in the sense that those races have
    characteristics like immortality, the ability to survive on a diet of
    minerals, etc. but it`s an entertaining notion.

    >Personally I see wealth, class and power being at least as important
    >as race in the marriage stakes - a dwarf might find a good marriage
    >difficult and some doors closed to them - but power attracts power
    >and class is all about power...

    There certainly have been some very strange marriages in human
    history that are based on those issues rather than anything we might
    consider a modern, legitimate marriage....

    The real question to me, though, is "Is such a thing within the
    flavour of Birthright?" That is, does the emphasis on the political
    level of play in the setting rise to the level of expressing things
    like political marriages to the extreme of inter-species alliance
    through marriage? Does that political emphasis go to the level that
    it should be used in place of the existing BR materials about the
    insular, even highly prejudiced nature of many BR races? That is, we
    know elves and humans meet, mate and match because, of course, we
    have half-elves, and there are such marriages and alliances described
    in the published materials.

    Humans and dwarves, though? It`s an interesting thought for a domain
    and adventure level session for players and PCs because I`d love to
    see a player`s face as someone role-played out the marriage between
    his human PC and a dwarf NPC, but I don`t know if I`d want to go so
    far as to make it part of setting material....

    Gary

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