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05-15-2008, 07:25 AM #1
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05-15-2008, 07:34 AM #2
According to the Wiki, the Boeruine province of Nietier is ruled by Albion Stoneaxe, a dwarf. The wiki page for Albion says he is married to Dáire Khorien, daughter of Roger Khorien and Aurelia Boeruine. The page for Roger says
"His daughter, Dáire is married to Count Albion Stoneaxe of Nietier and is concerned with her family and their political fortunes in Boeruine."
Um, can this all be true if he is a dwarf and she is a human? What do the TSR publications say about him?
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05-15-2008, 07:47 AM #3
05-15-2008, 08:45 PM #4
At 12:34 AM 5/15/2008, Sorontar wrote:
>According to the Wiki, the Boeruine province of
>Nietier is ruled by Albion Stoneaxe, a dwarf.
>The wiki page for Albion says he is married to
>Dáire Khorien, daughter of Roger Khorien and Aurelia Boeruine.
Technically, there`s no real BR reason they
couldn`t be "married" in a legal, theological or
even personal sense that I know of. It would be
a pretty controversial pairing, though.
It would be interesting if Albion Stoneaxe was a
"dwarf" as in "little person" though, wouldn`t
it? His name is very dwarf-sounding, of course,
and I`m sure he was meant to be an actual BR
dwarf, but it would make for a highly
characteristic situation. There are some D20
rules for such things in the adaptation of Martin`s Fire & Ice series....
05-16-2008, 12:35 AM #5
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05-16-2008, 08:59 PM #7
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As an interesting point, I sometimes wonder if dwarves - and for that matter elves - are recognised as another race, rather than as short stocky men and slender tall people respectively.
Katherine Kerr comments on this in the Deverry saga - the elves are seen as people who crop their ears as a cultural trait and lie about immortality...
Personally I see wealth, class and power being at least as important as race in the marriage stakes - a dwarf might find a good marriage difficult and some doors closed to them - but power attracts power and class is all about power...
05-16-2008, 09:44 PM #8
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05-16-2008, 09:45 PM #10
At 01:59 PM 5/16/2008, AndrewTall wrote:
>As an interesting point, I sometimes wonder if dwarves - and for
>that matter elves - are recognised as another race, rather than as
>short stocky men and slender tall people respectively.
>Katherine Kerr comments on this in the Deverry saga - the elves are
>seen as people who crop their ears as a cultural trait and lie about
Well, in the context of BR in which races of humans are
differentiated pretty clearly and have different stats that game
mechanically differ from how issues of "race" are normally handled,
the elves and dwarves would have to be considered something else
entirely. D&D shies away from actually saying things about "race"
and what we would attributed to differences of species or even genus,
but in that sense we might classify them as homo sylvanus or homo
chthon, or something along those lines.
Mythologically, races like dwarves and elves often both fit into a
category of "fae" or similar magical races. The differences between
them are distinct and would appear obvious from the human POV, but
their bodies are a sort of not-so-subtle manifestations of what would
probably be viewed as subtle expressions of their true, spiritual
forms. They would remain very distinctly different from humans, though.
So, all that said, I do like the idea that they are a culture more
than a race per se. It`s hard to overlook the differences between
humans and BR elves and dwarves in the sense that those races have
characteristics like immortality, the ability to survive on a diet of
minerals, etc. but it`s an entertaining notion.
>Personally I see wealth, class and power being at least as important
>as race in the marriage stakes - a dwarf might find a good marriage
>difficult and some doors closed to them - but power attracts power
>and class is all about power...
There certainly have been some very strange marriages in human
history that are based on those issues rather than anything we might
consider a modern, legitimate marriage....
The real question to me, though, is "Is such a thing within the
flavour of Birthright?" That is, does the emphasis on the political
level of play in the setting rise to the level of expressing things
like political marriages to the extreme of inter-species alliance
through marriage? Does that political emphasis go to the level that
it should be used in place of the existing BR materials about the
insular, even highly prejudiced nature of many BR races? That is, we
know elves and humans meet, mate and match because, of course, we
have half-elves, and there are such marriages and alliances described
in the published materials.
Humans and dwarves, though? It`s an interesting thought for a domain
and adventure level session for players and PCs because I`d love to
see a player`s face as someone role-played out the marriage between
his human PC and a dwarf NPC, but I don`t know if I`d want to go so
far as to make it part of setting material....
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