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    i am looking for info on Moreheid. i have always pictured it like the boarder lands in the wheel of time series. very much millateristic and fortified. any input

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    ----- Original Message -----

    From: "marcum uth mather" <brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET>

    Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:40 AM



    > i am looking for info on Moreheid. i have always pictured it like the

    boarder lands in the wheel of time series. very much millateristic and

    fortified. any input



    For the most part, the analogy is quite good. Some of the rusticness of the

    borderlands, I save for the four most northern provinces. Even so I think

    the proximity of these provinces to the heartlands and the southern coast

    makes them less rustic than Talanie or Dhoesone.



    On the notion of Mhoriens as sensualists, it makes sense that people who

    fear that their lives could end unexpectedly will embrace pleasure now. One

    way this may play itself out is to sing songs and tell tales of Cuiraecen

    and Laerme. So, the Militant Order may well be a temple with an

    unexpectedly high number of priestesses of Laerme present. Fight by day,

    love by night, &c. Bards might best express this duel loyalty, since both

    Cuiraecen and Laerme sponsor bards, one as heralds and the other as artists.

    Bards would be a natural group to perpetuate and reinforce this dual

    effection. This connection to Laerme might well ease and improve relations

    with Elinie, while disrupting relations with Cariele. Relations for

    Haelynites and Aerics followers are already tense with Cariele (for more on

    this, see my posts on Cariele and Mheallie Bireon on May 6 and May 11 of

    2002). This might seem to contradict the Allies description in Mhoried,

    which says Cariele pays tribute, &c, but I think it can be sais that Cariele

    does this to make sure Mhoried does the fighting and not Cariele, and that

    its very self interested on Cariele`s part. I for one, see the real power

    in Cariel as Mheallie Bireon, not Entier Gladanil.



    I think that both the Mhor and the Duke of Alamie see a mutual self-interest

    in coorperating against both the goblins of the Five Peaks and Markazor, but

    there are reasons that this remains strictly defensive and fails to grow

    into warm relations between these two courts. First, the temples.

    Haelynite relations would depend on how well Anita Maricoere and Rhobher

    Nichaleir are getting along. But even if they are amicable, the Celestial

    Jewel has no reason to see Haelynites getting along and will tend to

    sabotage relations between Alamie and Mhoried. Mheallie Bireon likewise

    doesn`t want harmonious relations between them, and has plenty of power and

    allies (like the CJS) in Alamie to exert her influence. So I suspect these

    two duchies can depend on one another only in defensive matters against

    goblins (and the Gorgon), otherwise they are cool, even if both the Mhor and

    the Duke of Alamie would like to see otherwise.



    I would also be inclined to develope Michael and Shaene Mhoried. The more

    well developed Micheal is as a character, the easier it will be to kill off

    Daeric later in the campaign if you want to. Shaene could be a

    Mordred/Richard III figure or he could be the secret spymaster for the

    realm. He could be neither now, but grow into one (or both) of those roles

    later. Either way, he could add interest to the realm.



    On the nature of a chaotic realm, I tend to see chaotic meaning

    decentralized in this context. So I suspect that the Mhor is more dependent

    on his counts, and possibly more feudal than most Anuirean realms. The Mhor

    simply lacks the time and spare regency to centralize his realm (regardless

    of whether he is inclined to do so) because he fights a near perpetual war

    with the Five peaks and Markazor.



    I tend to assume there is one count for every province, and as many lords as

    the province has levels. So Dhalsiel, for instance, would automatically

    come with three keeps. How large and defensible these keeps are would

    depend on the DM. They could be a three story stone house with arrow slits

    installed, a simple tower keep, or an all out castle. Bottling yourself up

    for a siege only makes sense if you can hold out long enough for an army to

    show up and break the siege. So presumably whatever keeps are present, they

    can stand for a week against a normal siege.



    Kenneth Gauck

    kgauck@mchsi.com

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    > > i am looking for info on Moreheid. i have always pictured it like the

    > boarder lands in the wheel of time series. very much millateristic and

    > fortified. any input



    I agree with Kenneth here. Northern provinces should be militaristic, always ready to repel a goblin invasion. Every aspiring squire in the Knights Guardian should spend some time in the northern Mhoried to get the feel of constant threat. Southern provinces are the ones that feed Mhoried. While Counts and lesser nobles of the northern provinces are mostly fiercely loyal and always ready to support the Mhor and stand ground against the enemy, the southern lords should be wealthier and more spoiled. Among southern provinces, most notable are Byrnnor as the most developed after the capital and Tenarien as a gateway for trade with southern Anuire.



    You can find a lot of info in The Raven and the Wolf. I promised myself that I will read it again and collect the data useful for games, but I still didn`t find the time for that. This novel contains as much info as any Player`s Secrets, but it is more consistent with the setting because it was written by the setting`s creator.
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    Another thing of interest is that Mhoried is the only human land described as &#39;welcoming&#39; goblins. The Mhor grants citizenship to goblins that swear allegience to his realm and refute their &#39;evil&#39; ways.

    A very interesting and somewhat contradictory relationship with the surrounding area.
    Duane Eggert

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    irdeggman schrieb:



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    > irdeggman wrote:

    > Another thing of interest is that Mhoried is the only human land described as `welcoming` goblins. The Mhor grants citizenship to goblins that swear allegience to his realm and refute their `evil` ways.

    > A very interesting and somewhat contradictory relationship with the surrounding area.

    >

    IMO not very contradicting.

    Mhoried is a frontier land which lacks the protection of the empire

    since many decades. It has to use everything to survive and allowing

    goblins as citizens seems logical - not only 1 defender or at least

    worker more, but also 1 enemy less.



    Additionally Mhoried WAS a goblin realm, and I would assume that the

    Mhors who needed from -508 HC (Mhor Maglan begins rule of Mhors in

    Mhoried) to -166 (The Mhora raze Kar-Durgar) to conquer the goblin realm

    that now is Mhoried, did not put any single living goblin to the sword

    after their victory, so Mhoried would have a native goblin population

    from the very start.

    bye

    Michael

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    First note here, the novel is "The Falcon and the Wolf", not "The Raven"... This refers to the heraldic symbols of Gaelin Mhoried and Tuorel Gheore respectively, and happens to be a very-well written novel and one of my favourites.

    The book describes some parts, out of which we realise that at that time frame Haelyn&#39;s clergy is No. 1, young lords traditionally train under the Knights Guardian for some years (especially the princes&#33, there are no wizards who use the mebhaighl of Mhoried after the end of the novel, the White Tower has always provided one of their master bards for the Mhor&#39;s hall, and some other stuff, other geographic, other strategic, other just flavourful...

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