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    Hi, I'm going to be starting a campaign in Aerenwe in about a month, and the way I like to run games is more of the "status quo" method where I have a world pretty much already in motion and the PC's are free to roam wherever and pay the consequences or reap the rewards of their actions. I already have oodles of information on the surrounding realms, but the only info I have on Aerenwe is what is presented in the original box set. Can anybody out there help me out? I'm looking for things like more detailed maps (like the ones in the player secrets books), names, noble houses, npcs, heraldry, special holidays, sights of interest, background happenings, rumors, and general flavor. I've already been trying to make my own maps and npc's, and am doing pretty well, but theres no way to get the amount of detail I would like without having something to go from. Plus if I want it to blend well with the rest of the realms, balance, and no need to re-invent the wheel after all, but now I'm rambling. So any help would be utmost appreciated.

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    i don't have answers, but i have a related question

    Why is the regent of Aerenwe a Queen? When did the regents of Aerenwe get that title and how? Does it mean that they do not recognise the Iron Throne any more? Does it have to do with the fact that Michael's wife was an Aerenwe heir?

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    At 09:56 AM 5/19/2005 +0200, A_dark wrote:



    >i don`t have answers, but i have a related question :)

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    >Why is the regent of Aerenwe a Queen? When did the regents of Aerenwe get

    >that title and how? Does it mean that they do not recognise the Iron

    >Throne any more? Does it have to do with the fact that Michael`s wife was

    >an Aerenwe heir?



    In more early medieval parlance it`s not terribly unusual for "king" (and

    most noble titles, for that matter) to be much more figurative than a sort

    of estimation of their overall influence. A king might really be the

    equivalent of what we might think of as little more than a mayor or local

    chieftain. In the case of Aerenwe that seems like the most likely

    explanation. The title is ancient and connected to the early tribal period

    of Anuire. Though the rulers of Aerenwe might have long since proferred

    the allegiance to another ruler (who is, after all, the leader of the

    "empire" which is a higher title) the king/queen title may have been

    continued without any real sense that it need be changed.



    Alternatively, there was a period of "titular inflation" that occurred in

    Europe around the 17th through 19th centuries. Barons became counts,

    counts became earls, etc. Even kings and queens became emperors. This

    might be what happened in the case of Aerenwe as a noble (maybe a crown

    prince or a duke) was installed in the throne of that "kingdom" during the

    period of Anuirean expansion and had his title "inflated." It`s possible

    this title was one of the few that remained after the collapse of the

    empire and/or that most of the others died out. Given the range of titles

    and histories of the various Anuirean realms either interpretation could work.



    Gary

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    Heck Avan is a prince.
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    Just face it - the titles of rulers in BR is all over the place. The Queen of

    Aerenwe (she did come to power recently, so may have assumed a title to her

    liking), the Baron of Diemed (which is inarguably a Duchy) etc.



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    To me Aerenwe is similar (refering to "terra") with Singapore as Calrie, and within little India for the Caerliennen-castle.. Go there into details with your research. EI

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    Another possiblity for Aerenwe is the tie to elves and the elven way of life (i.e., the preservation of the Erbannien). Elves use such titles. So forcing the issue to set her apart from the rest of Anuirean nobles might work also.
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    It mentions in the box set that Anuirean titles are largely meaningless at this point outside of a few people like Avan and Boeruine. Tael is a Baron who rules two Duchies worth of land, Diem is a Baron who rules a Duchy and so on.

    As for how the title became Queen/King, remember that Lilliene unseated a tyrant when she gained power. That tyrant might have inflated his title of Duke to King to artificially inflate his worth (Kind of like in Sendoure, but less legitimate). It may even go back farther than that. In the Book of Magecraft under Aelies's description it mentions some woman who tried to use sorcery to forge a new Anuirean empire that ran afoul of Aelies. Considering that Aelies is, and likely has always been, confined in his source activity to Aerenwe and Roesone, this woman might have been ruler of Aerenwe, either by heredity or conquest. The book doesn't give details on that, though.

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    Wow, Cesari.

    Now that sounds like a cool basis for an adventure.





    On 5/19/05, Cesari <brnetboard@birthright.net> wrote:

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    > Cesari wrote:

    > It mentions in the box set that Anuirean titles are largely meaningless at this point outside of a few people like Avan and Boeruine. Tael is a Baron who rules two Duchies worth of land, Diem is a Baron who rules a Duchy and so on.

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    > As for how the title became Queen/King, remember that Lilliene unseated a tyrant when she gained power. That tyrant might have inflated his title of Duke to King to artificially inflate his worth (Kind of like in Sendoure, but less legitimate). It may even go back farther than that. In the Book of Magecraft under Aelies`s description it mentions some woman who tried to use sorcery to forge a new Anuirean empire that ran afoul of Aelies. Considering that Aelies is, and likely has always been, confined in his source activity to Aerenwe and Roesone, this woman might have been ruler of Aerenwe, either by heredity or conquest. The book doesn`t give details on that, though.

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    At 12:57 PM 5/19/2005 +0200, irdeggman wrote:



    >Another possiblity for Aerenwe is the tie to elves and the elven way of

    >life (i.e., the preservation of the Erbannien). Elves use such

    >titles. So forcing the issue to set her apart from the rest of Anuirean

    >nobles might work also.



    A couple things in regards to the issue of the noble title for the ruler of

    Aerenwe:



    First, it occurs to me that none of these interpretations are really

    mutually exclusive of one another. That is, the title might have gone

    through a period of imperial titular inflation based in part on a

    connection of the ruler of the domain having a connection to an elven

    bloodline (perhaps by marriage) after which a tyrant came to power who was

    overthrown giving the current regent that same title--effectively usurping

    it from the former ruler. Such a chain of inheritance really isn`t that

    outlandish given the timespan and the overall nature of titular claims

    being more than a little shaky to begin with.



    That said, I think this one suggested by irdeggman has the most relevance

    to the domain itself, and since that was the basic idea behind the original

    post I`d go with it as the primary (or, at least, a significant) influence

    on the genesis of the title used by the Aerenwe ruler.



    In any case, to bring things back more towards what the original poster was

    asking about:



    I used to run a campaign in Aerenwe, but I`m afraid I have very little of

    that background material committed to paper, so I can`t give over a lot of

    info on the realm. I can, however, recommend a few things:



    1. HM Aelies is one of Cerilia`s most powerful wizards and, thus, most

    powerful characters in Cerilia. In a "low-level" campaign 17th levels is

    pretty far up there and in a 3e conversion (which changed some of the spell

    levels a bit) it means he`s got access to an awful lot of

    spells. Furthermore, he`s been around a long time being rather naturally

    long-lived (as a half-elf) and with his blood ability, so his levels as a

    wizard might be interpreted as having taken into consideration many XP

    worth of magic item creation. Aelies is a dominant presence in Aerenwe,

    and should not be ignored. From the DMing POV this is a good thing as he

    can be used as the "patron" for the PCs--in the old D&D use of the word for

    the character who motivates or otherwise sends the PCs off on

    adventures. He can be used regularly in that role to great effect.



    2. The Erbannien is one of the more sylvan and unspoiled forests of

    Cerilia--its not unreasonable to see it competing with elven kingdoms in

    that regard. This may be the influence of Aelies or it may simply be the

    result of the magical nature of that realm. Play up the mystical and fae

    aspects of the forest.



    3. Home Base: Aerenwe is centrally located. It makes an excellent "base of

    operations" for a BR campaign centered on Anuire. Because it is a coastal

    domain it is easy to send characters off by ship to any other region of the

    continent.



    4. No Realm is an Island: It`s hard to look at the map of Anuire and not

    note the proximity of Aerenwe to Caelcorwyn. Take advantage of the

    "unexplored" nature of that island to put the players at a

    disadvantage. There has been lots of ideas expressed around here for uses

    for that island. Check the archives.



    5. Good neighbors and bad neighbors. Though there are some unpleasant

    human realms near Aerenwe the domain is actually buffered from most of the

    really nasty domains controlled by humanoids or awnsheghlien. One should

    not, however, ignore these significant creatures of the BR setting, but one

    might want to employ more of the other types; ogres and trolls rather than

    orogs and gnolls (if I can be forgiven the rhyme....) Awnsheghlien of the

    "wandering" type might be included. That is, they are more like unique

    monsters with names like "The Fanged Horror" and "The Swamp Lizard" rather

    than the iconic ones like "The Spider" or "The Gorgon."



    Best of luck,

    Gary

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