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    For months, nay years I have seen so much argueing on this forum. One person wants something done one way and ofcourse another person completely disagrees with that other person. I mean this has gone nowhere, fast.

    Now that bloodline rules are officially printed in a Dungeons & Dragons book, and that material is Open Game Content. I think its time to settle. This argueing hasn't really accomplished anything. Sometimes, you simply got to settle and then let everyone else do house rules. Some act like if it isn't done their way, then they are still stuck with the what it says in the pdf.

    Stuff that has been brought to the table that I see as useful to Birthright.

    Generic Classes, Expert, Spellcaster, and Warrior. I think these could be expanded upon for example add Noble to it. How many times have I seen the discussion of wether or not elves should have druids, or wizard, or both? That same arguement has been going on for awhile. Well if we simply designate generic classes as core to the Birthright setting. It solves the problem, and if others dont like it, they can house rule it.

    Defense, VP/WP/, Armor Damage Reduction. Just a suggestion, as Birthright has always been more gritty then normal D&D, atleast how I have seen it. This may do well to not only show that, but to distance itself from other campaign settings.

    There is other stuff that could work.

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    Indeed, you are right that some of the things that have been so heavilly discussed over all this time should not have been so...

    In any case, I'd like to address what you mention here:
    • I am integrating the following variant rules in my campaign that I now design (so as to mention an example of house rules plus variant rules application):
      • Vitality & wound points.
      • 1s on attack rolls count as a -10 penalty, critical fumble occurs only if your BAB is not at least +10.
      • 20s on attack rolls count as a roll of 30.
      • Armour piercing, armour damage reduction, and defence bonus.
      • Sovereign Stone's spell-casting system, with a more medieval/D&D magic style (not-elemental related, but form based [arcane, nature, and clergy magic, the last two accounting as divine magic]), and using my own variants of the base classes.
    • Aside from that, BR has always been a bit of a more "militantly proper" setting than GH, and especially FR, and some of the Unearthed Arcana rulings could be very useful (imagine an artillery unit that deals 1d4 wound point damage on a clear shot, but has all the penalties it had in BR 2e [need of cleaning the cannon every time the unit made a natural attack roll of 1, and so on] ^_^ ). However, it is really another "house rule" matter or, to put it in the best way, a variant on the original rulings.
    • Another example of things that have been thought over (but not on a level they would make it in the BRCS) include Defence bonuses, armour piercing weapons, etc.

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    Out of all that should be blamed, its the authors of it. They never put their foot down and say "this is how its going to be, if you dont like it house rule it". Instead they are too worried about offending people.

    The writers either need to start cracking down and getting it done (which should have been done along time ago), or they should hand the project over to someone else.

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    I disagree.

    There was some contention at first, but the authors have made it quite

    clear what their intentions for the BRCS are. I`m not saying I agree

    with those intentions, but I think they`ve been well established.



    --Lord Rahvin
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    Oh yeah? Then explain why it isn't out. The last update was a year ago. I can write an entire novel in less then a year. I am sure it doesn't take them that long to do some rewriting in something they already have practically written up.

    They should hand it off to someone else if they can't actually get it done.

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    I really like the variant class abilities presentes in Unearthed Arcana. I already use the "nature aspect" variant of a druid and the rage variant for a barbarian.

    I also like the changes in class abilties. Perfectly fitting for a cleric of Cuiraécen for example is: Lose the turn undead ability, gain the smite evil ability and Aura of Courage of a paladin (if chanelling positive energy)...
    May Khirdai always bless your sword and his lightning struck your enemies!

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    > Oh yeah? Then explain why it isn`t out. The last update was a year

    > ago. I can write an entire novel in less then a year. I am sure it

    > doesn`t take them that long to do some rewriting in something they

    > already have practically written up.

    >

    > They should hand it off to someone else if they can`t actually get it

    > done.



    I agree with your second point, not your first. There`s no reason the

    team shouldn`t "hand it off" or otherwise if they feel its necessary,

    nor do I think there should be stopping anyone from taking what`s

    already written and finishing their own version for distribution among

    the birthright community.



    But it really doesn`t matter if you thing the BRCS is progressing too

    slowly or not. And The Team has been plenty courteous in apologizing

    for the delays and I`m sure being active on these boards slows their

    progress some. As does the more modular design we as a community

    requested, where we work out an issue before moving on to the next. I

    don`t really follow the BRCS progress, but I think there`s been some

    work on bloodlines that`s been going on recently.



    I myself have been working the same amount of time on my own adaption of

    Birthright, but I`ve got nothing even close to a finished product as

    this team has produced.



    There`s been no evidence that this team can`t "get it done", though

    perhaps they can`t do it to everyone`s liking (such as mine).



    In summation, I believe your accusations directed toward the BRCS team

    are unkind and unfair. They`ve established a goal and they`ve sought to

    meet it. Now if I have a problem with its content or you have a problem

    with its development, that really has nothing at all to do with the

    BRCS`s vision, motiivation, or ability. Not only is it outside our

    jurisdiction to set such standards of judgement, but I think by all

    commonly acceptable standards they`ve done a decent job.



    If they take the next ten years to make another page or they just drop

    it all now and declare they`re done as is, they`ve done an decent job at

    giving life to their initial vision and should feel proud.



    --Lord Rahvin
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    ----- Original Message -----

    From: "Ariadne" <brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET>

    Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:47 PM





    > I really like the variant class abilities presentes in Unearthed Arcana.



    I`ll certainly have to take a look during my March visit to the game store.

    Along simialr lines, I pikced up Fantasy Flight`s _Wildscape_, part of their

    Legends and Lairs series. Its a handbook for wilderness adventures and

    chartacers. They produce nearly a dozen druid and ranger varients (not

    whole class write ups, but modular lists you can plug in).



    Some other goodies include special terrain types and basic terrain rules.

    For example, special forest types include faerie, gloom, opression, and and

    sentience. Once can immediatly plug these into the Spiderfell (Oppression

    and Sentience), Sielwode (Faerie), and so forth.



    Kenneth Gauck

    kgauck@mchsi.com

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    Ecliptic: you had me initially, but you go too far. Yes, the project may have stalled in part due to the team&#39;s inability to arbitrate with finality but you must be aware of the many other reasons. Further I will not "blame" them for their idealistic need to adhere to the concept of a "community project", I sympathise with them.

    I understand your frustration, but, ultimately, there is no-one to vilify here. Your core statements, time to settle, publish and be damned, etc I agree with but your tone is too much.

    CM.

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    Originally posted by ecliptic@Feb 21 2004, 04:17 AM
    Oh yeah? Then explain why it isn&#39;t out. The last update was a year ago. I can write an entire novel in less then a year. I am sure it doesn&#39;t take them that long to do some rewriting in something they already have practically written up.

    They should hand it off to someone else if they can&#39;t actually get it done.
    Moderator advisery: Ecliptic, please soften your words. There is no need to attack somebody on this board...
    May Khirdai always bless your sword and his lightning struck your enemies!

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