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    Whether contemplating a new setting somewhere else on Aebrynis, whether on
    Anduria or some oriental place, or just contemplating the possibility of
    foriegn gods, it says this in the BoP on page 5: "The Gods of the Basarji
    were similar to to those of the Adurian peoples, and their fear of the power
    of Azrai propelled them into the conflict facing the Adurians."

    This suggests two things: 1) that there are other gods on other continents
    (perhaps Azrai was even a foriegn god who posthyletized in Anduria) and 2)
    that some foriegn gods were present at Deismaar.

    Presumably the Basarji gods, minus the dead goddess Basaia, are still known
    in the old homeland of that people. What they know of Avani is anyone`s
    guess.

    Kenneth Gauck
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    At 08:52 PM 7/8/2002 -0500, Kenneth Gauck wrote:

    >Whether contemplating a new setting somewhere else on Aebrynis, whether on
    >Anduria or some oriental place, or just contemplating the possibility of
    >foriegn gods, it says this in the BoP on page 5: "The Gods of the Basarji
    >were similar to to those of the Adurian peoples, and their fear of the power
    >of Azrai propelled them into the conflict facing the Adurians."
    >
    >This suggests two things: 1) that there are other gods on other continents
    >(perhaps Azrai was even a foriegn god who posthyletized in Anduria) and 2)
    >that some foriegn gods were present at Deismaar.

    I would imagine if other gods were present at Deismaar they could not have
    been participants in the final act that "destroyed" Azrai, else there would
    be bloodlines for "Goshalak: God of Rice Pudding" in addition to those
    bloodlines for the "main" Cerilian gods. That doesn`t mean they could not
    have been present, of course. An event that draws the attention of several
    gods is the kind of thing that just about any god is going to at least look
    in on.

    It`s also always seemed plausible to me that of the various beings of power
    at Deismaar (including a dragon or two) it would be feasable for being to
    ascend other than those humans to took on the form of their patrons. Those
    individuals skipped several steps in the mortal to immortal process due to
    their proximity and affinity to their patron deities, but why wouldn`t
    another powerful being on the battlefield be elevated to some sort of
    lesser divine status? A demigod, the equivalent of devas, etc.? Wouldn`t
    the gods have called upon their celestial servants/companions to fight by
    their sides if they were going to appear on the battlefield
    themselves? Surely Cuirecaen isn`t the first herald that ever graced the
    pantheon. What might have happened to those beings?

    This sort of thing does, however, require at least some revision of the
    "standard" BR background to account for the presence of other gods and the
    possible ascension of nearby beings, so many folks won`t approve of it, but
    there are several aspects of the BR cosmology that are fuzzy and could
    stand being filled in.

    Gary

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    I`ve always assumed that the gods of the dwarves and humanoids were there,
    but more or less Moradin kept the humanoid gods in check while the human
    gods dished it out amongst themselves. This opens the door for the presence
    of other gods who were present, but not destroyed.

    Perhaps the Basarji gods drew straws and Basaia was the loser.
    "They need one more, whose got the short straw?"

    Kenneth Gauck
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    Kenneth Gauck <kgauck@MCHSI.COM> wrote at 02-07-09 03.52:

    > Presumably the Basarji gods, minus the dead goddess Basaia, are still known
    > in the old homeland of that people. What they know of Avani is anyone`s
    > guess.

    According to the Basarji, Basaïa is not dead. They stil worship her as a
    living godess, and this is a major point of contention between them and the
    Khinansi.

    If Basaïa is "really" dead is a matter of speculation. Beeing a godess, and
    not subject to simple causality, I think she can be alive to the Basarji and
    dead to the Khinansi - this would prevent her from intervening or granting
    clerical spells in Cerilia, but not in Basarji lands.

    /Carl

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Carl Cramér" <carl.cramer@HOME.SE>
    Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 2:48 AM


    > If Basaïa is "really" dead is a matter of speculation. Beeing a godess,
    > and not subject to simple causality, I think she can be alive to the
    > Basarji and dead to the Khinansi - this would prevent her from
    > intervening or granting clerical spells in Cerilia, but not in Basarji
    lands.

    Well something happened to her, because we have the creation of Avani. It
    may be no more that in the place of Cerilia she lost her power, but I would
    contend that the purpose of the gods sacrifice was to destroy Azrai utterly,
    not right here right now. Of course they may have failed. But, it would
    make more sense that to destroy a god in all places by your own destruction,
    you must sacrifice yourself in all places. As you say, the rules for such
    thing are beyond our cosmology (because we are simpletons). ;-)

    My path would be to have Avani answering the name Basaïa in the Basarji
    lands. Probabaly on the advice of some wise old god of their pantheon, on
    the argument that we don`t want our worshipers to think that they can wake
    up one morning and we`ve been killed by some power you`ve never even heard
    of. Or in the case of the sun, one morning the sun doesn`t come up.

    That would be very wierd.

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    It would seem that Azrai is not dead. Perhaps the old gods refused to
    sacrifice themselves utterly, and thus were unable to destroy Azrai utterly.

    /Carl

    Kenneth Gauck <kgauck@MCHSI.COM> wrote at 02-07-09 10.19:

    > Well something happened to her, because we have the creation of Avani. It
    > may be no more that in the place of Cerilia she lost her power, but I would
    > contend that the purpose of the gods sacrifice was to destroy Azrai utterly,
    > not right here right now. Of course they may have failed. But, it would
    > make more sense that to destroy a god in all places by your own destruction,
    > you must sacrifice yourself in all places. As you say, the rules for such
    > thing are beyond our cosmology (because we are simpletons). ;-)
    >
    > My path would be to have Avani answering the name Basaïa in the Basarji
    > lands. Probabaly on the advice of some wise old god of their pantheon, on
    > the argument that we don`t want our worshipers to think that they can wake
    > up one morning and we`ve been killed by some power you`ve never even heard
    > of. Or in the case of the sun, one morning the sun doesn`t come up.
    >
    > That would be very wierd.
    >
    > Kenneth Gauck
    > kgauck@mchsi.com
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Carl Cramér" <carl.cramer@HOME.SE>
    Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:16 AM


    > It would seem that Azrai is not dead. Perhaps the old gods
    > refused to sacrifice themselves utterly, and thus were unable
    > to destroy Azrai utterly.

    We only say that because of the heavy hinting of the developers, not because
    of any firm textual evidence. Its best left as an open question. IMC, I
    don`t use the good-evil axis very much, just as a backup to kep things
    interesting by offering a problem different than the fundamental problem of
    the campaign. As a result I don`t give Azrai much due as a living god. I
    don`t need to. Besides, and ultimate evil out there would distract from my
    themes of disorder. I appreciate the open-endedness of this kind of
    material, because my next campaign could very well deal with the good-evil
    axis as the primary axis.

    Kenneth Gauck
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