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    My theory is not incompatible with Blitzmacher. Those two he mentioned did not beat their shadow. Both characters were unsuccessful in following their faith to the fullest, thus the Gods didn't punish them but didn't give them the bonus that I indicated to Ariadne. The Cold Riders evil was able to keep them as servants in the Shadow World.
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    That seems a little harsh coming from the good deities

    I agree with Bearcat, that this act of punishment is not realy compatible with a good alignment of some gods. Especially Nesirie, but also Cuiraécen with his chaotic nature wouldn't do this to anyone of his followers (never even the evil)! Naturally neutral and evil gods might punish their worshipers like this.

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    How does a good god punish?
    Cattle die and kinsmen die,
    thyself too soon must die,
    but one thing never, I ween, will die, --
    fair fame of one who has earned.
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    Good gods punish in the same way that good parents do!
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    Originally posted by blitzmacher

    How does a good god punish?
    I agree with Lord Eldred. A god like Cuiraécen would strip a priest from his spells first (from high to low level [a great punishment, if you ask me]). A worshiper could feel his sword glow of electricity (with only a little damage, of cause). This should be warning enough! If the worshiper or priest continues his behavior, he would let a lightning bold strike near by. In my oppinion the worshiper or priest must have done an increadible failure/ blasphemie, if the lightning bolt hits....
    May Khirdai always bless your sword and his lightning struck your enemies!

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    I tend to go along with what I think of terms in real life.
    To the christian religion God would be considered good. Yet those failures burn in hell. The brave warriors who die in battle go to Valhalla, where do the not brave, or foolish, warriors go?

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    In my oppinion the worshiper or priest must have done an increadible failure/ blasphemie, if the lightning bolt hits....
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    Then this blasphemis person goes and sits by his god after his god killed him with the lightning bolt?
    Cattle die and kinsmen die,
    thyself too soon must die,
    but one thing never, I ween, will die, --
    fair fame of one who has earned.
    HAVAMAL

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    Orginally posted by blitzmacher

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    In my oppinion the worshiper or priest must have done an increadible failure/ blasphemie, if the lightning bolt hits....
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    Then this blasphemis person goes and sits by his god after his god killed him with the lightning bolt?
    I think so, but naturally this person wouldn't be ever in the inner circle until his spirit does something to atone it...
    May Khirdai always bless your sword and his lightning struck your enemies!

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    Orginally posted by blitzmacher

    I tend to go along with what I think of terms in real life.
    To the christian religion God would be considered good. Yet those failures burn in hell. The brave warriors who die in battle go to Valhalla, where do the not brave, or foolish, warriors go?

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    In my oppinion the worshiper or priest must have done an increadible failure/ blasphemie, if the lightning bolt hits....
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    Then this blasphemis person goes and sits by his god after his god killed him with the lightning bolt?
    A good parent sometimes has to punish a child severely because the child did something greatly wrong. The parent still loves the child and accepts them with open arms when they are ready to admit they did wrong. So yes the person MAY end up sitting next to the god who killed him with the lightning bolt or might be stuck somewhere else until he realizes his sins.

    As for the god of earth...he will not sentence to you hell if you ask for forgiveness!
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    So take these two trapped souls. They weren't killed by their god, but by their foolish actions. Then their punishment maybe confined to the SW until they realize their mistakes, a kind of purgatory for the lost but not forgotten.
    Cattle die and kinsmen die,
    thyself too soon must die,
    but one thing never, I ween, will die, --
    fair fame of one who has earned.
    HAVAMAL

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    Exactly!!!!!
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