Bringin back the dead

[Lord Eldred]

Orginally posted by Lawgiver

Orginally posted by Lord Eldred

Lawgiver, your thinking fits in with my construct. A soul is making its journey to meet its maker. The loved ones or companions left in the material world can't handle the death and want to bring the soul back so they cast resurrection. The resurrection spell creates a connection between the material world and the soul calling it back. If it chooses to answer that call, it starts making its journey back but not without its Shade Double in the Shadow World trying to prevent that return. Thus a fight with the shade. However, if the soul does not wish to answer the call of the resurrection spell, the soul would continue its journey to meet its maker. Hence the spell failed.

After reading this idea of the fighting your own Shade a few questions came to my mind.
What would the PC use to fight with the Shade? Are "spiritual" versions of their weapons and armor carried with them to the undeath?
Can wizards cast spells in this strange state?
Are wizards limited to spells they memorized before they died?
Can preists call on their God while they are dead?
Does the Shade have all of the spells the PC has?
If the PC is lawful good what is the alignment of the shade?
IF the PC is a preist with spells required from a good god, would the Shade have access to those spells?

1. The PC would have the "spiritual versions" of anything he/she carried at the time of death.

2. Wizards can cast spells but are limited to the spells they memorized before they died.

3. Priests can only use spells they have already called on their God to provide before they died. Their God can also be called on but can only intervene to prevent the souls return. However the priest who is trying to bring back the dead through resurrection can cast beneficial spells upon the body that will help the soul such as bless.

4. The Shade only has the powers that a shade has and does not possess the same casting abilities if it is copying a wizard or a priest. Although it carries the trappings of being a wizard or priest.

5. The question of alignment I am still working out. I just assumed they were evil but the question arises is it possible that a good shade exists?

[Mark_Aurel]

No, there is no inconsistency in what I said - it goes like this:

- A mortal can never raise or resurrect someone against their will. This includes player characters of any level.

- A god, and only a god, with the specific Divine Salient Ability Gift of Life, can resurrect a creature against its will, as long as the deity to whom the soul of that creature also agrees.

A cleric casting a Miracle spell is essentially asking the god for intervention of some kind - such intervention is often tied to the Salient Divine Abilities of the god in question. A god of death can grant powerful miracles related to killing and reviving people, a god of weather can create extremely powerful weather effects, a god of war can grant the means to win a war, etc.

Thus, a cleric might be able to revive a creature against its will - if his deity has the ability to do so, and the cleric casts a Miracle to ask him to use it on his behalf.

In Cerilia, though, I don't really see any gods as having the Gift of Life ability, and certainly not any evil ones - perhaps Nesirie could have it.

[Ariadne]

Why shouldn't a character brought back to live, if he can? We all know there aren't much clerics who are powerfull enough to raise the dead, why also stop them if the character has the rare chance to encounter one?

By the way, the bloodline is gone, if there isn't some sort of special spell (limited wish, wish, restore bloodline). I didn't want to play an unblooded charakter, if he was born with a bloodline (he didn't want that either)! O.K. you can say, he can make a quest to get one of these spells, but they are VERY rare. (What do you want to do, ask the Magian?) ;)

[Lord Eldred]

The way I play it is that the bloodline is not lost until the character reaches their final resting place. If the resurrection happens soon enought, the bloodline is not lost.

[Birthright-L]

How can you combine this with bloodtheft? After all, you don`t have to
pierce someone through the heart to absorb some of his escaping bloodline.

/Carl

brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG <brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG> wrote at 02-06-29
00.05:

> Lord Eldred wrote:
> The way I play it is that the bloodline is not lost until the character
> reaches their final resting place. If the resurrection happens soon enought,
> the bloodline is not lost.
>

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[Lord Eldred]

Blood theft would be a different story. The bloodline is lost. However, the returned character could steal it back!