new dwarven/elven units

[ShadowMoon]

If DMs use 3rd E D&D event regarding dwarves, Moradin's Thunder Blessing, that says that dwarven cultures throughout multiverse had a boon of population (Thunder Twins), and that Moradin's Blessing awoke sorcery in dwarven blood, You will have to adjust dwarven population in BR too.

[Jaleela]

If DMs use 3rd E D&D event regarding dwarves, Moradin's Thunder Blessing, that says that dwarven cultures throughout multiverse had a boon of population (Thunder Twins), and that Moradin's Blessing awoke sorcery in dwarven blood, You will have to adjust dwarven population in BR too.

Actually, according to every edition of D&D I've read, no DM is obliged to use any rule, if it doesn't suit them. The game is essentiually a set of guidelines and game mechanics, and DM's have always been encouraged to use their own imagination and judgment in which rules to apply, ignore, or invent on their own.

Thus, if spellcasting dwarves do not suit the campaign, then the DM can say 'no spellcasting dwarves', and if a population boom does not suit the campaign storyline, then one is not obliged to adjust the dwarven population.

[cccpxepoj]

i think that we all went a little of the topic here, this thread is about dwarven unts not population, even thing are connected.

[MatanThunder]

Does anyone here know how to stat some of these units out in ol 2nd ed???

I especially like the idea of battle ragers in the mix. Dwarven Sapper units could undermine fortifications in a short period too.

Then how about spriggan dwarvish units....the forces of the Gorgon see a unit of dwarves moving towards them and start laughing and heckling them derisively from behind their walls. Then suddenly the force seems to be getting bigger and bigger, then the walls don't seem quite a secure.

The bladesingers are being missed in the elven forces too, even if there may only one unit (not enough bladesingers) in Cerilia. There are also the chance of Avariel units (flying elves). It could be quite a unit too.....flying elvish archers raining death from on high. Sowing destruction on enemy armies without ever coming in range of anything short of a fireball. Quite a unit.

Later

[cccpxepoj]

Does anyone here know how to stat some of these units out in ol 2nd ed???

I especially like the idea of battle ragers in the mix. Dwarven Sapper units could undermine fortifications in a short period too.

Then how about spriggan dwarvish units....the forces of the Gorgon see a unit of dwarves moving towards them and start laughing and heckling them derisively from behind their walls. Then suddenly the force seems to be getting bigger and bigger, then the walls don't seem quite a secure.

The bladesingers are being missed in the elven forces too, even if there may only one unit (not enough bladesingers) in Cerilia. There are also the chance of Avariel units (flying elves). It could be quite a unit too.....flying elvish archers raining death from on high. Sowing destruction on enemy armies without ever coming in range of anything short of a fireball. Quite a unit.

Later

now that is some high fantasy battles

[ryancaveney]

There are also the chance of Avariel units (flying elves). It could be quite a unit too... flying elvish archers raining death from on high.

Canon BR doesn't have winged elves, but it does have flying elven combat units. In particular, Innishiere has more than a hundred elven knights with flying steeds (Cities of the Sun), and Rhoubhe Manslayer has a contingent of air cavalry mounted on griffons, hippogriffs and giant eagles (Sword and Crown). Given the Sidhelien preeminence in magic, spells like Mass Fly should definitely exist, and I think every elven realm should have enough flight-enabling magic items in its armories to equip a few units. However, far more devastating than a whole unit of flying archers is *one* flying high-level wizard, especially if invisible, and elven realms should be able to field many of these when threatened.


Ryan

[MatanThunder]

Canon BR doesn't have winged elves, but it does have flying elven combat units. In particular, Innishiere has more than a hundred elven knights with flying steeds (Cities of the Sun), and Rhoubhe Manslayer has a contingent of air cavalry mounted on griffons, hippogriffs and giant eagles (Sword and Crown). Given the Sidhelien preeminence in magic, spells like Mass Fly should definitely exist, and I think every elven realm should have enough flight-enabling magic items in its armories to equip a few units. However, far more devastating than a whole unit of flying archers is *one* flying high-level wizard, especially if invisible, and elven realms should be able to field many of these when threatened.

Not to be flip since I know that normal Cerilian Elfstock is not the norm, (but may be a parent stock), but compared with these units you describe......would the Cerillian Avariel be that much more over the top?

Especially in light of that uber wizard flying artillery piece???

Later

[cccpxepoj]

people just imagine the advance of elven army, traveling trough land,sky even a shadow world and all that followed whit thunder,lightning.......
ok i need to rest

[cccpxepoj]

cccpxepoj schrieb:
> This post was generated by the Birthright.net message forum.
> You can view the entire thread at:
> http://www.birthright.net/forums/sho...newpost&t=3853
> cccpxepoj wrote:
> people just imagine the advance of elven army, traveling trough land,sky even a shadow world and all that followed whit thunder,lightning.......
> ok i need to rest
>
The sidhelien have lost and are a retreating race in a continent
formerly theirs.

IMO an army as you describe it is unfitting for the Birthright setting
after the human-sidhelien wars. Novels are not canon - but I do like the
novel "Greatheart" in that it describes the sidhelien of the Sielwode as
mourning every *single* dead sidhelien as an immortal gone forever.
Losing a dozen sidhelien is a major loss and even the thought of several
companies of sidhelien destroyed in a war would be unimaginable as would
a large army such as you describe. Vietcong guerilla warfare from hiding
to attempt to prevent the unnecessary loss of any immortal life.

Or another picture that would fit Birthright: The last alliance of elves
and men of Gondor marching against Sauron - the whole army is as small
as former armys vanguards.

I have not read that book( yet! ), but i imagine that army in some colossal battle like mount deismar.