Chapter 5 opinions and questions

[ConjurerDragon]

daniel mcsorley wrote:

>On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Michael Romes wrote:
>
>>There is a house rule, that when a holdings is contested (a status no
>>longer there in the new rules) another regent ruling his holding up,
>>reduces the contested one by 1 - I always thought that much friendlier
>>than to utterly destroy another holding with 2 contests and then rule
>>your own holding up.
>>
>That`s an interesting rule, and remarkably I`d never heard it before. I
>think the current attempt to reduce tracking by getting rid of the
>contested state is a good thing, though.
>
>>However your argument of Contest = Negative Rule sounds also good to me.
>>With extraordinary success perhaps 2 instead of 1, but as before I think
>>that no holding of level 1+ should be destroyeable in one action.
>>
>Not even with an extraordinary success? If someone contested a level 1
>holding and got an extraordinary, that would reduce it to 0, and then
>destroy it, and I think that could be ok.
>
That is closer to what I like. The current draft is that even a level 2
holding could be destryoed by contest in one action when rolling a 3 on
the 1D3 - what I disklike. That normal contest reduces 1 level and
extraordinary success double sounds good - however extraordinary succes
is rare (20+ on the result of the opposed check and 10+ ranks in the
relevant skill as on p. 61 of the PHB).
bye
Michael Romes

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[kgauck]

"On a successful check against a holding, you reduce the level of the
contested holding by 1d3 levels" (p. 107, Contest Action)

It seems to me that a more 3e mechanic would be to find some number above
the required DC (say 10) and after that point, an additional level is
destroyed. Subsequent levels might be on the basis of an additional 5
beyond the DC. So, destroying 3 levels of a hodling would require exeeding
the DC by 20.

Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com

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[drnuncheon]

Originally posted by ConjurerDragon
The current draft is that even a level 2
holding could be destryoed by contest in one action when rolling a 3 on
the 1D3 - what I disklike.

As I understand it (and I'm coming into this with no knowledge of 2e BR), a holding of 0 represents contacts and an information network. I agree that it ought to be very difficult to completely destroy such a thing. Here's my suggestion:

Keep the 1d3 roll, but say that it can reduce the holding to a minimum of 0.
Then, specify that only a level 0 holding can be destroyed by a contest action.

That keeps the 'at least two actions to destroy' that you like while still making it a little faster (and more random) than just saying 1 (or 2) per contest action.

J

[Green Knight]

Another option:
1 lvl destroyed by a successful contest action
2 lvls destroyed if with a margin of 10 or more (similar to the original
rule for agitate)
3 lvls destroyed on an extraordinary success (as oper the normal 3E
rules for skill checks)

Yet another option:
A holding 1+ is never completely destroyed by a successful contest
action, but reduced to a holding (0)
A holding (0) is destroyed by a successful contets action.

And one more:
Should a holding successfully reduced in this manner under the new rules
also become "contested" (provides no regency until ruled) or not?


drnuncheon wrote:

Originally posted by ConjurerDragon
The current draft is that even a level 2
holding could be destryoed by contest in one action when rolling a 3 on
the 1D3 - what I disklike.

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