Presitige Classes for Regents

**Lord Rahvin** · 10-13-2002, 03:47 AM

> The 2E Blackstrike Fencing actually gave a bonus to AC - thus balancing
> the problem that an heavily armoured Anuirean would always slaughter a
> lightly armoured Brecht.

Okay, I don`t know anything about Blackstrike Fencing, but why`s it a big
issue? If anything, I thought this was one of the things that 3E handled
quite nicely. Blackstrike Fencing was meant to balance the poorly defended
unarmored duelists with the heavily armored knights that championed 2e.
With feats like Dodge, Mobility, and most importantly Weapon Finesse, along
with the the way dex bonuses to AC work, I just don`t see a need for
Blackstrike Fencing, either as a feat or anything else.

I mean, you could do it. Sure. But I don`t really see that much point. I
like the way feats reflect particular fighting styles, without having to
actually write up the fighting style as an actual game mechanic.

It seems to me a Brecht duelist no longer needs the Blackstrike Feat to be
inherently balanced with the Anuirean knights. Indeed, in 3e, I think a
duelist is actually pretty fun to play, and we haven`t even talked about
those pesky rogue abilities yet...

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**kgauck** · 10-13-2002, 05:08 AM

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From: "Lord Rahvin" <lordrahvin@SOFTHOME.NET>
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> It seems to me a Brecht duelist no longer needs the Blackstrike Feat to
> be inherently balanced with the Anuirean knights. Indeed, in 3e, I think
> a duelist is actually pretty fun to play, and we haven`t even talked about
> those pesky rogue abilities yet...

That may be true, but having Brecht fighting styles to distinguish Brecht
fencing from Anuirean fencing still makes sense. And, national combat
styles are fun.

Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com

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**geeman** · 10-13-2002, 07:43 AM

At 11:49 PM 10/12/2002 -0500, Kenneth Gauck wrote:

> > It seems to me a Brecht duelist no longer needs the Blackstrike Feat to
> > be inherently balanced with the Anuirean knights. Indeed, in 3e, I think
> > a duelist is actually pretty fun to play, and we haven`t even talked about
> > those pesky rogue abilities yet...
>
>That may be true, but having Brecht fighting styles to distinguish Brecht
>fencing from Anuirean fencing still makes sense. And, national combat
>styles are fun.

You could do that by making the Duelist prestige class exclusive to the
Brecht and have another prestige class to represent the Anuirean "sabre"
styles (or more likely just restrict a few of the knightly prestige classes
and variants to Anuireans.)

Gary

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**ConjurerDragon** · 10-13-2002, 11:04 AM

Hello!

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> The Black Strike in the BRCS will not the same as the one presented in Travis Doom`s conversion manual though. Just having a quick look at it, and assuming they took the prerequisite feats...
>A fighter would could access the feat at level 3 (or 4 when gets next feat)
>
Mmmh, Travis 3E manual listed Improved Two Weapon Fighting as condition
to master Blackstrike.
Improved Two-Weapon-Fighting lists a BAB of 9 as prerequisite.

From the BAB alone, a fighter could not be a master of black strike
before level 7 (is BAB added? the level 7 fighter has BAB of +7/+2, is
this enough, or need he be level 9 for +9/+4?)

>A rogue at level 4 (actually at 6 when he gets his next feat)
>
A human rogue? You included the racial bonus feat in this?
What about the BAB +9 of Improved Two-Weapon-Fighting - that would
require the rogue to be at least level 10 (+7/+2) or even 12 +9/+4).

>A wizard at level 6 (having taken martial weapon proficiency in rapier as one of his earlier feats, plus other prequisite feats).
>
A wizards has BAB 9 for Improved Two-Weapon-Fighting not before level 14
(+7/+2) or even 18 (+9/+4).

>So it is not difficult for a member of any class to access the feat as it will be presented in the BRCS.
>
If Improved-Two-Weapon-Fighting is a prerequisite, then it will be
difficult or better will take very, very long.
bye
Michael Romes

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**kgauck** · 12-21-2002, 07:33 AM

I have no objection at all to organization based PrC`s, but I do see other
alternatives which I am finding more comfortable. Some might regard this as
broadening the definition of organization, but I`d prefer to think of an
organization as group which has a selected membership and passes on secret
lore in the form of a PrC. The Daggersleague in Mueden, or the Sisters of
the Veil are clearly organizations. I mean to suggest networks of social
organization which impy considerable flows of information without
neccesarily constraining a character to a single PrC. For example, being a
jarl means you have access to closed door actions, recieve opportunities,
and have contacts that others cannot aquire without being recognized as a
noble in Rjurik society. For my own sense of things, jarls are free to join
three PrC`s without having to seek out special training, tutors, or a dojo.
These include the Warmaster (S&F), the Einar (a revised Weapon Master, S&F),
and Vili (a courtly politician, Rjurik style). Here I`ve used culture
(Rjurik) and social class (noble) as constraints. Character class is
notably not a constraint, since I`ve watered down the class based
requirements for nobles. A druidic warmaster, for instance, needs a +7 BAB,
5 ranks of Diplomacy, and the Leadership feat. I have no problem what so
ever with such a character. It seems quite fitting.

Looking to other kinds of social networks, beyond organizations, seem to be
another fruitful source of PrC`s.

Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com

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