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    Talinie was not one of the twelve duchies. The following is supporting
    material for that statement.

    The quoted material is from the Player`s Secrets of Talinie.

    Page 4, 2rd paragraph
    "After the cataclysm at Mount Deismaar, the land became part of the Anuirean
    Empire. Emperor Gladien Roele (Who began his 10 year reign 83 years after
    Deismaar) christened the domain "Talinie" after his favorite concubine. The
    current capital, Nowelton, is built on the ruins of the provincial Anuirean
    fortress, "New Town." The Empire built six other outposts in the region;
    these became Talinie`s provincial capitals."

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    The land was renamed after a favored concubine. I do not believe the
    emperor would rename the lands of one of his twelve ruling families after a
    concubine. Also states there was six outposts built as provincial capitals,
    seeming to state that this was a colony in the unsettled areas of the
    empire.

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    Page 4, 3rd paragraph
    "It seems Anuire never found this outlying territory worth much trouble.
    The Imperial City settled Talinie with exiled minor nobles and ther trouble
    makers, nonconformists who developed a free-thinking culture that to this
    day produces independent and hard-headed people. After the empire`s
    collapse, this independent and contrary nature led to three wasted centuries
    of petty internal succession wars."

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    This was a land where exiles and criminals where sent by the empire. I
    don`t think they would use a duchy as a place to ship exiles and criminals.
    This seems to be similar to the British Empire`s colony in Australia where
    the criminals and trouble makers were sent to live out of sight and out of
    mind.

    -Anakin Miller

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    Actually, according to the Atlas of Cerilia (pg. 17),
    Talinie was one of the 12 duchies (and Brosengae was
    not). However, none of the other later material, such
    as the Iron Throne novel or the PS of Talinie,
    supports that.
    Most DMs (at least the ones I`ve interacted with) also
    don`t treat Talinie as one of the Twelve, prefering
    that Brosengae fill that role. I myself never thought
    Talinie was mentioned as one of the 12 until the quote
    in the Atlas was pointed out to me. Despite that,
    Talinie is not one of the 12 in my games - Brosengae
    fills that role.


    --- Atari Kid <atarikid@CHARTER.NET> wrote:
    > Talinie was not one of the twelve duchies. The
    > following is supporting
    > material for that statement.
    >
    > The quoted material is from the Player`s Secrets of
    > Talinie.
    >
    > Page 4, 2rd paragraph
    > "After the cataclysm at Mount Deismaar, the land
    > became part of the Anuirean
    > Empire. Emperor Gladien Roele (Who began his 10
    > year reign 83 years after
    > Deismaar) christened the domain "Talinie" after his
    > favorite concubine. The
    > current capital, Nowelton, is built on the ruins of
    > the provincial Anuirean
    > fortress, "New Town." The Empire built six other
    > outposts in the region;
    > these became Talinie`s provincial capitals."
    >
    > --------------
    >
    > The land was renamed after a favored concubine. I
    > do not believe the
    > emperor would rename the lands of one of his twelve
    > ruling families after a
    > concubine. Also states there was six outposts built
    > as provincial capitals,
    > seeming to state that this was a colony in the
    > unsettled areas of the
    > empire.
    >
    > ------------
    >
    > Page 4, 3rd paragraph
    > "It seems Anuire never found this outlying territory
    > worth much trouble.
    > The Imperial City settled Talinie with exiled minor
    > nobles and ther trouble
    > makers, nonconformists who developed a free-thinking
    > culture that to this
    > day produces independent and hard-headed people.
    > After the empire`s
    > collapse, this independent and contrary nature led
    > to three wasted centuries
    > of petty internal succession wars."
    >
    > ---------------
    >
    > This was a land where exiles and criminals where
    > sent by the empire. I
    > don`t think they would use a duchy as a place to
    > ship exiles and criminals.
    > This seems to be similar to the British Empire`s
    > colony in Australia where
    > the criminals and trouble makers were sent to live
    > out of sight and out of
    > mind.
    >
    > -Anakin Miller
    >
    >
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    Ok Mr I disappear for a few years and then pop up out of no where.

    I guess I don`t see who actually said Talinie was an original duchy.


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    > Ok Mr I disappear for a few years and then pop up out of no where.
    >
    > I guess I don`t see who actually said Talinie was an original duchy.

    Cobos did. See below. :)

    -Anakin Miller

    >---------------------------
    >From: Sindre Cools Berg <cobos@SAERS.COM>
    >Subject: Re: Need some help brainstorming on Diemed. [2#947]
    <SNIP>
    > > *Dhoesone(+Talinie, bits of now-Rjuven territory)
    > Talinie is itself one of the 12 duchies
    <SNIP>
    >Cobos


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