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    I dont't think the noble is a very attractive class to play. It is
    pretty close to the typical NPC class. This class should
    definitely be improved.

    Give some more special and level dependent abilities.

    Consider the Noble class in the "Wheel of Time RPG" which works
    pretty well.

    - Inspire Confidence: a noble can use oratory to inspire
    confidence in allies.

    - call in favor: kind of gather information

    Give them some Bardic like abilities. We should discuss this in
    detail.
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    That is a discussion that was brought up by the development team also, whether or not it was a playable class. Part of the original logic was the feat progression, roughly the same as that of a fighter but they can be any feats not just those from a restrictive list like those for wizards and fighters.
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    Yep, I see the point. It's not that bad, but it's not attractiv. Some additional bardic abilities will do it.
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    Many settings produce the Charisma based noble class. The über example of
    this trend is the Courtier from the Rokugan setting. I, however, don`t see
    the Cerilian noble as a figure dressed in lace and living in a gilded cage.
    The noble in this case is a skills based fighter, rather than a feats based
    fighter. Charisma is important to the noble, but I`m not impressed with the
    charisma based skills I see in other settings` version of the noble. The
    BRCS` noble has six skill ranks per level, a fine list of skills, and a nice
    array of feats. It allows the Noble to be able to use a variety of fighting
    styles. By 10th level (a high level BR character), a noble would have 7
    feats, enough for two three feat progressions and Leadership. That strikes
    me as about right. Getting into too much of the charisma based features I
    see in other settings puts me in the frame of mind of high heels, powdered
    wigs, and beauty marks. I think our nobles are more like the 14th century
    than the 17th.

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    Keep in mind the noble class was designed to keep players from taking a class of rogue for the skill points. However, if it's still weak it should be addressed.

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    My prefered noble would be based on the ranger. Give it six skill points per
    level, full base attack, and a good skill list, and a good Will save - and
    nothing else. That way it fights like a fighter, but without the feats, and
    completes the package with skills. IMHO, this is a warrior noble - not as
    devoted to war as the fighter, but still highly capable.

    If we have a lot of ruling-specific feats, the current feat-heavy noble can
    work, but people here do not seem too impressed with the ruling-specific
    feats.

    > spehar wrote:
    > Keep in mind the noble class was designed to keep players from taking a
    class
    > of rogue for the skill points. However, if it`s still weak it should be
    addressed.
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    Originally posted by kgauck
    I, however, don`t see
    the Cerilian noble as a figure dressed in lace and living in a gilded cage.
    The noble in this case is a skills based fighter, rather than a feats based
    fighter. Charisma is important to the noble, but I`m not impressed with the
    charisma based skills I see in other settings` version of the noble.
    I also think the noble should be treated more like a fighter than a rogue or bard. However, to give them some bardic abilities won't change this flair.

    The noble's education should give them the possibility to deal with people and manipulate the crowd.

    Some additional ability should be included. If you have some other ideas....
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    So that would be bardic abilities in lieu of feats I assume, otherwise the class would become too powerful (compared to the fighter). If the feats aren't taken away in this proposal then the noble would definitely be mechanically far superior to the fighter. Noble gets more skill points, more choices of skills (usually these two go together) and a wide choice of feats (any).
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Azrai" <brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG>
    Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:03 AM


    > I also think the noble should be treated more like a fighter than a rogue
    > or bard. However, to give them some bardic abilities won`t change this
    > flair.
    >
    > The noble`s education should give them the possibility to deal with
    people
    > and manipulate the crowd.
    >
    > Some additional ability should be included. If you have some other
    ideas....

    Here is my copy of the Aristocrat/Noble class:
    http://home.mchsi.com/~kgauck/taelshore/aristocrat.htm

    This is my Courtier adopted for Cerilia:
    http://home.mchsi.com/~kgauck/taelshore/courtier.htm

    The Aristocrat (what BRCS calls Noble) gets strong Leadership advantages,
    strong Willpower, the ability to rally allies, and at 17th level, the
    ability to take 20 on skill checks that effect realm actions.

    The Courtier is the charisma based noble character. I think you`ll find him
    the familiar. Note his lore/gossip table uses Cerilian examples. If a
    character has a class concept of a more charismatic noble character, I`d
    recommend multi-classing as an aristocrat/noble. Because of my use of
    backround classes, a courtier will have at least one level as aristocrat.
    So far, the only characters who have more courtier than aristocrat are
    women. For instance the courtier from Talinie, Carissa Castamona is a 1st
    level Aristocrat/5th level Courtier. There are also good PrC`s available
    for enhancing other kinds of leadership abilities, such as the Warmaster.

    Kenneth Gauck
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    They look pretty good.
    my purpose is now to lead you into the Pallace where you shall have a clear and delightful view of all those various objects, and scattered excellencies, that lye up and down upon the face of creation, which are only seen by those that go down into the Seas, and by no other....

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