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    > If anyone is, for whatever reason, converting the BR3E PDFs
    > into a format that is smaller and easier to load, read, and
    > print such as .doc, .rtf, or even .txt, I`d appreciate it if
    > you could toss a copy my way. Even just a couple of chapters
    > would give me something to read.
    >

    Are you joking or what? PDF is much easier to do all the you want to do
    to it than DOC, RTF and TXT. Oh my, TXT, that is hell.

    Maybe you don`t have Acrobat Reader? It is free utility and can be
    downloaded somewhere...just do a search on www.google.com

    Anyway, if you really want simpler text, you can use Acrobat Reader`s
    Text Select Tool to copy all the text and paste it into DOC file. It`s
    not a big deal, although it may take windows some effort to handle that
    much text :-)

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    www.adobe.com Has it free. Having it be a .rtf and .txt would be a huge
    pain in the ass. Setting it up at a .html file might be pretty cool.


    Ken Johnson
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    [mailto:BIRTHRIGHT-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM] On Behalf Of Milos Rasic
    Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:13 PM
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    Subject: PDFs

    > If anyone is, for whatever reason, converting the BR3E PDFs
    > into a format that is smaller and easier to load, read, and
    > print such as .doc, .rtf, or even .txt, I`d appreciate it if
    > you could toss a copy my way. Even just a couple of chapters
    > would give me something to read.
    >

    Are you joking or what? PDF is much easier to do all the you want to do
    to it than DOC, RTF and TXT. Oh my, TXT, that is hell.

    Maybe you don`t have Acrobat Reader? It is free utility and can be
    downloaded somewhere...just do a search on www.google.com

    Anyway, if you really want simpler text, you can use Acrobat Reader`s
    Text Select Tool to copy all the text and paste it into DOC file. It`s
    not a big deal, although it may take windows some effort to handle that
    much text :-)

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    There is also a size difference when using say word for the document. On the development side it was around 3 to 4 times larger in word than pdf.
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    The BRCS did exist as a .doc file, but not the final version as it was all combined into a .pdf file. This was done because it is a format that can be read on the majority of system (after downloading acrobat reader) and provided a good formatted version for printing.

    There was never a text/rtf/html version of any of the material and so it would need to be created, which would take some time. Perhaps if there were enough requests for one, this could be done, although I should point out that the text version would still be approximately 1 meg in size.
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    On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 07:20:20PM -0600, Ken Johnson wrote:
    > www.adobe.com Has it free. Having it be a .rtf and .txt would be a huge
    > pain in the ass. Setting it up at a .html file might be pretty cool.

    I expect that after:
    A) Birthright-L gets all the noted problems worked out of the draft, and
    B) Arjan finishes his layout (btw, if you didn`t check out the links
    that he posted, do so. Awesome stuff.)

    That the final version will make its way to HTML-hood on the website
    (and finally replace the empty "3rd edition" links that we`ve had for
    several years).

    - Doom

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    On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Milos Rasic wrote:

    > Are you joking or what? PDF is much easier to do all the you want to
    > do to it than DOC, RTF and TXT. Oh my, TXT, that is hell.

    On the contrary, I find TXT far easier to handle than anything else.

    Any document that I can`t pipe to a command line program on STDIN, or edit
    easily without having to pay for proprietary software, is a bad document.

    DOC and RTF are terrible, I agree, but nothing at all can compare
    favorably to the glories of good old ASCII. This is not sarcasm, it is
    my completely truthful opinion.

    > not a big deal, although it may take windows some effort to handle
    > that much text :-)

    Which is why I use UNIX. =)


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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ryan B. Caveney" <ryanb@CYBERCOM.NET>
    To: <BIRTHRIGHT-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM>
    Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:20 PM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] PDFs


    > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Milos Rasic wrote:
    >
    > > Are you joking or what? PDF is much easier to do all the you want to
    > > do to it than DOC, RTF and TXT. Oh my, TXT, that is hell.
    >
    > On the contrary, I find TXT far easier to handle than anything else.
    >
    > Any document that I can`t pipe to a command line program on STDIN, or edit
    > easily without having to pay for proprietary software, is a bad document.
    >
    > DOC and RTF are terrible, I agree, but nothing at all can compare
    > favorably to the glories of good old ASCII. This is not sarcasm, it is
    > my completely truthful opinion.
    >

    Ick! plaint text is about as easy to read on the computer or on a white page
    as reading a pocket unabridged dictionary (and I have good eyes!) its just
    horrendous to me. I`d prefer to go with the standard for online game
    releases that is portable from computer to some PDA`s to whatever...
    that is PDF.

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    On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Raesene Andu wrote:

    > There was never a text/rtf/html version of any of the material and so
    > it would need to be created, which would take some time.

    OK, so I`ve just done it. It looks pretty rough (in some places the lines
    are 140 characters long, in others just 40), but it`ll do for a first
    pass, especially since it undid those terribly confusing (to a line-based
    text parser: grep is better than almost any index) columns.

    > Perhaps if there were enough requests for one, this could be done,

    I`m happy to send this one to anyone who wants it.

    > although I should point out that the text version would still be
    > approximately 1 meg in size.

    The one in front of me now is in fact 1.012 MB. =)
    It gzip`s down to 346 kb.


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    > irdeggman wrote:
    > There is also a size difference when using say word for the
    > document. On the development side it was around 3 to 4 times
    > larger in word than pdf.


    This is because PDF is compressed. Compressing the DOC, RTF or TXT file
    will have much better effects than compressing PDF. Here`s an example:

    Player Handbook PDF
    real size: 13.1Mb
    zipped: 12.6Mb

    Player Handbook DOC:
    real size: 2.51Mb
    zipped: 703kb

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    > >
    > > DOC and RTF are terrible, I agree, but nothing at all can compare
    > > favorably to the glories of good old ASCII. This is not
    > sarcasm, it
    > > is my completely truthful opinion.
    > >

    One thing I like with PDF, if we forget the graphics and think only
    about info and ease of use, is indexing and jumping to pages. A small
    document is one thing, and even ASCII is ok, but how would you find your
    way through BRCS in TXT format? Btw, will the final version of BRCS be
    indexed?

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