Gnomes

[Bearcat]

>> Midgets.
>
>HEY NOW!!!!!
>
>Speaking from one who knows. Us people who are loaded with SPA (Short
>Person's Attitude) prefer the term "vertically challenged"!!!!!!! :)

Sorry, no offense meant. However I didn't mean this as an insult. As
far as I know there are two catagories for vertically challenged. I think
that dwarves are those who are not proportioned in the same way same other
people. They have short thick fingers, toes arms etc.
Midgets on the other hand look like well proportioned people, except
only in miniature. This is how I remember it, maybe it is the other way around.
Once again I apologize for any insult.

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[Bearcat]

>IT SEEMS LIKE IM THE ONLY ONE WHO WANTS GNOMES THEIR LESS MAGICAL THEN ELVES
>AND WHY HAVE THE OTHER DEMIHUMANS AND HUMANOIDS AND NOT GNOMES EXCEPT THAT
>THEIR NOT A POPULAR RACE THEY HAVE LESS BENEFITS THEN DWARVES OR ELVES SO I
>DONT SEE HOW THEY WOULD OUT BALANCE THINGS AND THIER ONLY TECHIES IN DL IM
>TALKING ABOUT THE STANDARD AD&D GNOME WHO LIVES IN THE FORESTS AND HILLS AND
>ACTS SORTA LIKE A CROSS BETWEEN DWARVES AND ELVES AND A PRACTICAL JOKER THEY
>SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDED TO BEGIN WITH SINCE THIER IS NO LOGICAL REASON THEY
>WERENT NOT EVEN MENTION IN NPC STATUS WHICH IS JUNKY

Did you breathe at all while you typed this? Never mind.

Look Rob, just because you don't recieve any active support on the
list doesn't mean that there is no one behind you. Many people just lurk
this list and others don't want to be drawn into this thread.
I agree that gnomes should have something done about them in BR. It
just isn't fair to them otherwise. However, I find standard AD&D gnomes or
those of any other campaigns (DL :) uncerilian. At best the most cerilified
gnome that exists to date is, IMHO, the forest gnome in the book of gnomes
and halflings, except that they can ditch the pointy hats.
I think that most people fear the introduction of the gnome into
cerilia because it may upset the precarious balance that there exists
between human and Demihuman races. Cerilia is a humanocentric continent,
there is no denying this. It is the only campaign world that takes the time
and effort to describe the different sub-humans (that does NOT sound right
;) . If we were to give more space to the demihumans we would be encouraging
them over humans. IMO the humans were given stat modifiers in Br to
encourage their use.
Anyway, BR is already complete with the races it has, it is just a
matter of opinion whether or not gnomes should be included. If you put them
in your campaign then fine, you are opening up another aspect of Br for
exploration in your campaign. Others may not want them and explore other
concepts. I, for example, left them out so that my player (note the
singular) will play somethng else for a change. After all, BR is unique, so
should the characters.


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[RTomasz184@aol.co]

hi ed how about adding gnome pcs to the new birthright hardcover, there the
only race left out but exist in cerrilia i would like to see the cerrilian
version of them
rob

[hobbychest@pcsia.co]

BI>hi ed how about adding gnome pcs to the new birthright hardcover, there the
BI>only race left out but exist in cerrilia i would like to see the cerrilian
BI>version of them
BI>rob

NO GNOMES! Please! After DL I was glad to see this race left out.
Anyway, Dwarves and Halflings are enough runts running around.

Robert Thomson

[David Sean Brown]

> hi ed how about adding gnome pcs to the new birthright hardcover, there the
> only race left out but exist in cerrilia i would like to see the cerrilian
> version of them
> rob

I thought gnomes didn't exist on Cerilia?

Sean

[abeard@zebra.net (Adam B]

David Sean Brown wrote:
>
> > hi ed how about adding gnome pcs to the new birthright hardcover, there the
> > only race left out but exist in cerrilia i would like to see the cerrilian
> > version of them
> > rob
>
> I thought gnomes didn't exist on Cerilia?
>
> Sean
>
Sean,

Look in the Rule Book on pg 89. AD&D Monsters in Cerilia.
Gnomes are listed on this chart. So somewhere in Cerilia there is at
least 1 small group of gnomes.

Adam Beard

[Adam Theo]

- --
hello, Adam Theo here,
i don't think so...IMO, gnomes seem to me that they should be what they
were in RL fiction of olde: little guys in the Black Forest who loved to
stay hidden until the right moment to cause trouble. having them as PCs
just seems to take away from that role which i liked. if gnomes are
introduced as PCs, then please have them as not being in any important
roles, so that anyone wanting to remove them can w/o interfereing mit
the official say-so-stuff. thanks.

RTomasz184@aol.com wrote:
>
> hi ed how about adding gnome pcs to the new birthright hardcover, there the
> only race left out but exist in cerrilia i would like to see the cerrilian
> version of them
> rob
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[Sepsis]

At 02:23 PM 11/11/97 -0600, Robert Thomson(hobbychest@pcsia.com)wrote:
>
>NO GNOMES! Please! After DL I was glad to see this race left out...
>

I have to agree with this. I like the fact that there are Gnomes in
Cerilia, but they are not a PC race. Although I would like to see more
info. on them for use as an NPC race. A unique touch, to have a normally PC
available race regulated to that of NPC. While Goblins, normally just a
weak monster, get the chance to be treated as a possible PC race. Something
else that makes me love BR.


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[David Sean Brown]

> Nothing can stop "your" Cerilia from being different from "my" Cerilia, or
> Jim-Bob's Cerilia. I think they should be similiar though. Hopefully this
> similiar background will remain unique and not become a FR/generic fantasy
> clone. Practicing Gnomocide will help keep it that way.


Hehe..I agree..I am all for keeping Cerilia Gnome-free..I too think they
are a bit too magical and ala DragonLance, just a bit too odd to appear in
every world produced by TSR

Sean

[HCD or SIR SPUD I]

Bearcats wrote:
>
> >Just a wierd thought, what do people in BR call humans who are short, people
> >what we do call dwarves in RL.
>
> Midgets.

HEY NOW!!!!!

Speaking from one who knows. Us people who are loaded with SPA (Short
Person's Attitude) prefer the term "vertically challenged"!!!!!!! :)

Sir Spud I

"I am exackatally 3 and a half inches tall, and proud of it!"
Caterpillar in Disney's "Alice in Wonderland"