Sidhelien

[Lord Eldred]

It sounds like many GMs here would rather die fighting the goblins than allow the elves to accept help from us humans!

[Green Knight]

Orginally posted by Lord Eldred

Orginally posted by Green Knight

Let elves be druids, that solves the problem :)

Druids that follow gods are druids that derive their power from the land?

I think you know the answer to that one ;)

[Mithrandir]

Orginally posted by Lord Eldred

It sounds like many GMs here would rather die fighting the goblins than allow the elves to accept help from us humans!

I'm sure that a lot of Cerilian elf-lords would agree with us!

[Chaos Lord Arioch]

Mithrandir has an interesting view of the sidhe. Yes the example I used of the north american indian was simplistic but isn't that what BR really is? Simple formulas to raise GB and RP to run a realm? I simply used that example as how one can view ones dislike of "squatters".
Anyways Your mention of the Sidhe as having a foreign/alien outlook begs the question; Can you tell me a scenario (with your version of the sidhe) and describe how they would act?
Do I think the Sidhe are completely different from humans and should be run differently? Absolutely, that is the whole reason why I started this discussion on the sidhelien.
Swordwraith mentions the Sidhe of Celtic Ireland and I find that version of Sidhe to my liking. I've heard about Tir ranog (On the back of an Enya Cassette tape of all things;). This view of Sidhe may help explain why they're not reconquering their lost lands, that perhaps they dwell in another plane of existance and if they loose their access to Cerilia, hey no problem it was too cold there anyways. Perhaps the "Farie forts" help bind their plane to cerilia and allows them to move back and forth which can also explain why they move so fast through the forest? Just some thoughts;)

Thanks for the info Rcook12a

[Mithrandir]

Let me take the example you used of why the Sidhe aren't out trying to take back over Cerilia. For starters, they don't want most of it any more. Elves aren't empire-builders, they spread out over Cerilia in the first place because it was empty and had lots of source. Elves love magic, and so they fought to defend their sources against the incroaching humans, even though they were indifferent to them otherwise. And even this was not wholesale war, in which the elves only engage against irredeemable evil, or a direct millitary threat. The gorgon is an example of both these. Instead, it would have appeared confusing to humans and seemed random, because each elf would deal with each human as the situation called for. This leads to stories of elves healing one lost woodsman and killing another for no apparent reason. The elves also have a complex veiw of the balance of nature, and a lot of humans just wander about Cerilia without thinking about what they're doing. The average elf thinks about all the consequences for everyone involved before taking any action, and human blundering offends him. When an elf shoots a logger, it's not because he's nessecarily opposed to all logging, he thinks that the human didn't consider teh consequences and should pay for that log's life with his own out of respect. Eventually however the elves were faced by overwhelming human numbers, supported by preistly magic, so they just got fed up as a race and started to ignore us. Because elven society revolves around developing indivdual strength (I.E.:Become the best elf you can be for the good of soceity) they have alot of small but powerful units in thier armies. These forces are all but unstoppable defensivly and in small scale offensives. But they just aren't designed for large invasions. Besides, there are few places left that have enough source and wilderness for them to desire them. And those that they want, they don't need. The elves don't try to kill us all because we aren't in the way, and it would take to much effort.

[ransforth]

a few concepts to begin with,
elves have been arround for so long that they have learned to see on a much different scope than humans therefore thier actions seem to do very little as they set things in motion for years down the line instead of the do it now thinking of the humans.
seeing how humans with thier brief lives change so much both facinates and infureates the elves.

seliee: since humans change so much, use the humans to further our goals, the ones taking this attitude are seen as friendly to humans

unseliee: kill the humans outright and the changes they create will no longer matter and things can go back to the way they are 'supposed' to be, these are seen as enemies of humans

the idia that a Elf can be of these two minds at the same time could create the problem associated with trying to understand them.

I was given the opertunity to play Tuarhievel and had a great time at it. To the outside he claimed to be against the hunt and had assigned troops to locating and stoping it, these troops were however the ones assigned by Tuarhievel to BE the wild hunt. His half sister had some problems with his neighbor to the west (can't rember names right now) so he invaded and took all three regons allowing him a place to retreat to when the Gorgon attacks perhaps streching the supply lines thin ripe for a counter attack. All eyes focused on his sister as the elves became a very real power to be guarded against or entreated. Tuarhievel was looked over as being mearly the military arm of his sister allowing him to continue his course.

[Birthright-L]

<< seliee: since humans change so much, use the humans to further our goals,
the ones taking this attitude are seen as friendly to humans
unseliee: kill the humans outright and the changes they create will no
longer matter and things can go back to the way they are `supposed` to
be, these are seen as enemies of humans
>>

Seelie and Unseelie are already used in Birthright to refer to the Shadow
World counterparts (good and evil respectively) of the (Daylight World)
Sidhelien. See the Blood Spawn (which should`ve been named Shadow Spawn -
and then in retrospect, Blood Enemies should`ve been named Blood Spawn)
book that can be freely downloaded from wizards.com.

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