The size of Cerilia

[ConjurerDragon]

Belisarius schrieb:



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>the thing about moving armies of units is that any reasonable general will not just force his march his army through enemy land. a certain slaughter of three legions of the Caesar`s finest is a great example of trying to move troops to fast. Generals would have scouts and skirmishers out to be his eyes and ears. The Roman armies didn;t move real fast if they were in enemy territroy either. They may have made 20 miles a day, but only in the Empire and on the road system that still exist in many areas.

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Varus? I thought the disaster was possible because of the dispersed

positions, that the legions became a line of 25 and more kilometres

within rugged terrain of dense forest. From where do you know that they

tried to march fast?

bye

Michael

[Belisarius]

Maybe they didn't march fast, but they had no scouts and skrimshers out either. If the general of the expedition put out the scouts, he fit of found something was wrong. Of course, this was also because of Roman arrogance believeing that the aera they had was pacified. Still it shows why you don't force march regualrly thru enemy terrain, especially with out any scouts or intell.

[Green Knight]

It seems that quite a few people liek bigger provinces, and some even want them to be truly epic in size. Personally I'm going for the 50x50 variant.

Since we're also talking about population and such; I feel that the province levels given for Anuire in the BR box are simply too low.

Even allowing for wars, monsters, famine and incompetent rulers, it seems that population density is too low. It doesn't have to be 100 people per square mile either, but something in between.

Province level 4-6 should be the norm for most of the Anuirean heartland, with province level 1-3 for very outlying areas. There should also be a fair number of level 7+ provinces.

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[Raesene Andu]

Just a reminder that this poll and thread is in the custom content forum, and unless decided otherwise during the revising of chapter 5, the official size of the provinces will remain as they are now.

[Green Knight]

I think we knew that - which is why this thread is here and not in the BRCS section ;-)

I'm also not sure I think we can really change the official province size. It's pretty clearly stated in the BR set, and wouldn't altering it be a bit outside the scope of the BRCS?

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[Raesene Andu]

Yes, it would be difficult to change the offical size of the provinces without significant changes to parts of the BRCS and Atlas. Such changes should no be consider IMO, how ever there is no harm in discussing it in the homebrew forum

I'm one of the few people who voted to keep Cerilia the same size by the way, I like it nice and small as it is.

[Green Knight]

Agree with you there - same goes for adjusting province levels all over the board.

It is an interesting topic to discuss, but its too big a change to put into a 3E conversion/update.

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[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Raesene Andu@Feb 9 2005, 05:53 AM
I'm one of the few people who voted to keep Cerilia the same size by the way, I like it nice and small as it is.

Hear hear! I voted the same. Sorry that I'm a strict canon doctrine guy... I don't even name the province in Markazor in my home campaigns because it is blank on the maps. :P

So we know who 3 of us old fogeys are....

[Green Knight]

The official province levels ARE pretty lame...

I was browsing Havens of the Great Bay the other day.

In addition to just making Anuire seem like a unpopulated wilderness all over, a couple of things were even worse:

1. The Zweilunds...three TINY islands that are listed as 3 provinces of levels 5-6
2. Grabentod, which is pretty much a run-down backwater has a province 7, which is the equal of the province of Ilien and Anuire in Anuire...

Made me even more certain the province levels should have been updated all over the board.

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[Green Knight]

The immediate fix for Anuire seems to be to just add 1 level to most provinces. I'd keep some provinces at their current level on the fringes of Anuire (Five Peaks, the elven realms etc.), and maybe add 2 to some of the most central ones and in particular to the major capitals.

To me, that gives a more civilized feel for Anuire, without going overboard. Its still pretty lightly populated, but there isn't much wilderness left in central Anuire.

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