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    On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, John Machin wrote:
    > I disagree.
    > Mortals with bloodlines are powerful mortals. They are blessed by the
    > gods, like Abraham was. However no-one thinks that Abraham WAS a god.
    > Likewise, I cannot see how people could argue that even powerful scions
    > are truly like unto gods.

    Not Abraham. More like Hercules and Achilles, descendants of gods. Big,
    bad, and semidivine. Hercules did ascend to Mount Olympus at his death,
    taking a place in the constellations.
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    On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, John Machin wrote:
    > I disagree.
    > Mortals with bloodlines are powerful mortals. They are blessed by the
    > gods, like Abraham was. However no-one thinks that Abraham WAS a god.
    > Likewise, I cannot see how people could argue that even powerful scions
    > are truly like unto gods.

    Not Abraham. More like Hercules and Achilles, descendants of gods. Big,
    bad, and semidivine. Hercules did ascend to Mount Olympus at his death,
    taking a place in the constellations.
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    Daniel McSorley- mcsorley@cis.ohio-state.edu

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    On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Gary wrote:
    > I think it`s important that ascension is a mainstay of D&D, so
    > deciding that it isn`t possible without divine assistance throws
    > something of a monkey wrench in the characterization of those NPCs.
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    > I guess it might be one way to explain why none of them have actually
    > transcended after 1,500 years of trying, though.... Still. I don`t think
    > I`d exclude it as a possibility.

    The awnsheghlien do kind of have divine assistance, in the form of Azrai`s
    remnant, the Cold Rider. I think he`s getting them to do the grunt work
    of gathering power up, so he can kill just a couple of major awnsheghlien
    and get his power back, rather than having to hunt down every pissant
    scion with a bloodline of Azrai, tainted, 3, to get his own back.

    Does he really want them to become divine? I think it`s brinksmanship.
    He knows how, and he has to grant them mostly accurate descriptions of the
    process or else they`ll figure out he`s playing them. But he doesn`t want
    them to ascend and surpass him, because then they might decide he looks
    like a nummy snack. He`s very vulnerable right now.

    > A (heretical) Biblical example might be that if Jesus had exploded on
    > the cross, left a massive crater, and infused all those in attendance
    > with divine power then we`re closer to the divinity of BR scions.

    Hehe. I laughed. Guess we`ll all burn in hell together; somebody
    remember to bring some dice. :)
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