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    tell me if i am wrong , buth wy are the russians allways a bad guys in a western movies,games....

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    The Vos live in the harshest part of Cerilia and they are trubled whith humanoids and awnsheglien, but they survive and they are tougher. My opinion is that their southern states thet have contacts whith cultures of khinashy & brecht are most properus & most promising.

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    > why are the russians allways a bad guys in a western movies,games....

    The Cold War. 45 years of conflict, fear and propaganda had their intended effect. Of course, in modern American movies, major villains are often given British accents; we haven't fought them since 1814, so it seems that we're never going to forgive anyone, at least in fiction.

    I should have thought that would be obvious to someone with "CCCP" in his username. =)


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    Quote Originally Posted by cccpxepoj View Post
    tell me if i am wrong , but why are the Russians always a bad guys in a western movies,games....
    1. cold war
    2. white skin - therefore it is not racist for them to be the bad guys and the US/European predominantly white male audience (in action movies) can lech over the actresses encouraging attendance.
    3. cool accent - therefore you can tell the good guys and bad guys apart
    4. reputation for having ... an efficient perspective on dealing with problems...
    5. the skill of the Russian spy networks - a lot of story opportunities
    6. if you make Arabs the bad guys they might firebomb cinemas, etc - which cuts profits (we've shamefully had cinema's refuse to stock films which 'insult the Muslim religion' - and riots by Sikhs and Muslims outside cinema's to force the cinema to stop showing the movie...)
    7. if you make the Chinese the bad guys they may not invest in the movie increasingly capital costs and reducing profit

    As an Englishman I am always happy to see someone else as the bad guy, some US movies go far beyond attempts to justify the American creation myth into the realms of offensive propaganda - 'the patriot' is one example and many of the 'Irish' movies are others...

    Southern Vos states:
    Yes, I would agree that harvest yields will be better and winters less costly to survive which will encouragw wealth.

    I lean strongly to the view that until the Anuirean Empire came along the far north of Cerilia was completely uninhabited - the Vos lived in what is now northern Khinasi and eastern Brechtur. The empire then pushed them into more remote areas. This is partly because I can't see the Vos willingly living in the icy tundra when there are soft, warm, Basarji and Brecht realms to live in and partly to encourage the prevalence of long-buried ruins and the like...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryancaveney View Post
    > why are the russians allways a bad guys in a western movies,games....

    The Cold War. 45 years of conflict, fear and propaganda had their intended effect. Of course, in modern American movies, major villains are often given British accents; we haven't fought them since 1814, so it seems that we're never going to forgive anyone, at least in fiction.

    I should have thought that would be obvious to someone with "CCCP" in his username. =)


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    I know just had to make that question , i realy like Russian "villains".
    My name is Ivan Chekov and you are closing right now

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    The conflict between nona and torva Vos is essential especially for the southern states because torva way subdued those realms but it is now up to nona to stabilize them and make them prosper .

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    Vos model are the mongols or the siberians?Because one Vos kingdom has the czar and no vos kingdom has the khan.

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    An interesting thing about the good old Atlas is that it says that the Vos are the most misunderstood of all the humans, since they are some of the most decent individuals around (Madislav from "The Falcon and the Wolf" comes to mind).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewTall View Post
    As an Englishman I am always happy to see someone else as the bad guy, some US movies go far beyond attempts to justify the American creation myth into the realms of offensive propaganda - 'the patriot' is one example and many of the 'Irish' movies are others...
    As an American with no need to justify our "Creation Myth" (A little sensitive to us Colonials getting loose eh Andrew??)

    I should hope that anyone who watches anything from Mel Gibson... Brave Heart, The Patriot, The Passion, (did not see Apocolyptco sp??) is in for a one sided distortion of events.

    The character in The Patriot was based on a historical British officer who had a reputation for....effectiveness...in the use of questionalble means in the prosecution of the war. However I do not recall ever hearing about the Burning of a Church, civilians inside or not.

    General Sir Banastre Tarleton, 1st Baronet, GCB (August 21, 1754–January 25, 1833) was a British soldier and politician. His reputation for ruthlessness earned him the nickname "Bloody Ban" and "Butcher" amongst American revolutionists. The British regarded him as an outstanding leader of light cavalry.

    Banastre Tarleton was the fourth of seven children born to the merchant, ship owner and slave trader, John Tarleton of Liverpool (1719 – 1773), who was mayor of Liverpool (1768). Tarleton was educated at the Middle Temple, London and went up to University College, Oxford University where he matriculated in 1771, after which entered the British army. As a young man, he had inherited £5,000 on his father's death, but squandered it all on gambling. In 1775 he purchased a commission as a cavalry officer in the 1st Dragoon Guards, and proved to be a gifted horseman and leader of troops.

    On May 29, 1780 Tarleton, with a force of 150 mounted soldiers, overtook a detachment of 350 to 380 Virginia Continentals led by Abraham Buford. Buford refused to surrender or even to stop his march. Only after sustaining heavy casualties did Buford order the surrender. What happened next is cause of heated debate. According to American accounts, Tarleton ignored the white flag and mercilessly massacred Buford's men. By Tarleton's own account, his horse was shot from under him in the charge, and chaos erupted when his men believed he had been killed. In the end, 113 Americans were killed and another 203 captured, 150 of whom were so badly wounded that they had to be left behind. Tarleton's casualties were 5 killed and 12 wounded [1]. The British called the affair the Battle of Waxhaw Creek, while the Americans knew it as the Buford Massacre or the Waxhaw Massacre.

    In recounting Tarleton's action at the scene one member of the British Army who was there, a surgeon named Robert Brownfield, wrote that "... Tarleton with his cruel myrmidons was in the midst of them, when commenced a scene of indiscriminate carnage, never surpassed by the ruthless atrocities of the barbarous savages." The Waxhaw massacre became an important rallying cry for the revolutionaries. Many people who had been more or less neutral became ardent supporters of the Revolution after the perceived atrocities. "Tarleton's quarter" and "no quarter" became rallying cries for American Patriots for the rest of the war.

    Of course the accuracies of the accounts are somewhat in question, but the movie needed a good bad guy so there it is.....no church full of civilians though...
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