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05-04-1998, 09:42 PM #1VictorGuest
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Are there named provinces in the the domain Harrowmarsh?
Does anyone have tables to (Randomly?) calculate Provincial Popoulation =
based upon Province Population levels.
I have an extra Player's Secrets of Taline...(bought two by =
mistake)...that Iam willing to give away, send email.
Victor
vslimm@thirdwave.net
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Are there named provinces in the the domain=20
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Does anyone have tables to (Randomly?) calculate =
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Popoulation based upon Province Population levels.
I have an extra Player's Secrets of Taline...(bought =
two by=20
mistake)...that Iam willing to give away, send email.
Victor
vslimm@thirdwave.net
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05-05-1998, 06:43 AM #2Ryan B. CaveneyGuest
[birthright]
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Victor wrote:
> Are there named provinces in the the domain Harrowmarsh?
No. The "Blood Enemies" book, in its entry on the Hydra, states:
"While not a domain, the Hydra's swampy habitat is large enough that
someone could conquer it and claim it as a domain; few, however, wish to
fight for a swamp infested with insects, criminals, and awnsheghlien."
(page 43) Creating named provinces in the Harrowmarsh (finally -- a use
for the Create Province action!) would require a sizable amount of
leg work to clear the way, and could make a focus for an entire (and
very damp) adventure-centered Birthright campaign.
> Does anyone have tables to (Randomly?) calculate Provincial Popoulation
> based upon Province Population levels.
I drew up one some time ago, based on the ranges given in the
Birthright Rulebook on pages 33-34:
Level 0 provinces have less than 1,000 people.
Level 1-3 provinces have between 2,000 and 10,000 people.
Level 4-6 provinces have between 10,000 and 40,000 people.
Level 7+ provinces may have as many as 100,000 people.
For the sake of being definite, I picked:
Level Population
0 500
1 2,000
2 4,000
3 8,000
4 15,000
5 25,000
6 35,000
7 50,000
8 65,000
9 80,000
10 100,000
If you wanted to randomize it, I would suggest varying by 4d6 - 14 percent
(this gives a mostly-normally distributed range of +/- 10%) from whatever
base values you use.
- --Ryan
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05-19-1999, 08:34 PM #3David Sean BrownGuest
[birthright]
More info for all (asked about the no BR products this year while on
the Greyhawk list)...
>On a completely un-Greyhawk related line, I can't help but notice the Q4
>product summary does NOT contain any Birthright products as previously
>indicated (or at the very least hinted at) on the BR list...any
indication
>of things never to come again?
I'm not on the BR list and don't know what hints you're referring to. I
do know that we don't have any plans to release any new BR products this
year.
- - Sean
Sean K Reynolds
Roleplaying R&D, Wizards of the Coast | skreyn@wizards.com
Check out the Dragon Dice demo/tournament program at
http://www.tsr.com/DragonDice/ddtournament.html
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05-19-1999, 08:38 PM #4OlesensGuest
[birthright]
David Sean Brown wrote:
> More info for all (asked about the no BR products this year while on
> the Greyhawk list)...
>
> >On a completely un-Greyhawk related line, I can't help but notice the Q4
> >product summary does NOT contain any Birthright products as previously
> >indicated (or at the very least hinted at) on the BR list...any
> indication
> >of things never to come again?
>
> I'm not on the BR list and don't know what hints you're referring to. I
> do know that we don't have any plans to release any new BR products this
> year.
>
> - Sean
Any inside info on what the people who decide these things are doing about BR?
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05-19-1999, 09:28 PM #5David Sean BrownGuest
[birthright]
> > I'm not on the BR list and don't know what hints you're referring to. I
> > do know that we don't have any plans to release any new BR products this
> > year.
> >
> > - Sean
>
> Any inside info on what the people who decide these things are doing about BR?
Still awaiting info..
Sean
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05-19-1999, 09:50 PM #6Brian StonerGuest
[birthright]
I was on TSR's chat site a week or so ago and asked that question point blank to
"TSRStan"...his real name escapes me at the moment, but those who visit the site
regularly have probably seen him now and then. And for those that don't visit the
site, he is an employee at TSR..and in the know. Anyway, he responded that there
are no plans currently to resurrect BR. The company wants to concentrate on its
core lines..especially after the troubles of the last few years. However, he did
say that there were a lot of BR fans at the company so it may happen someday. He
seemed upbeat, but the near future is not looking good. Keep your fingers
crossed.
Dearnen
...I just wish I could remember his real name to add validity to my post...
Olesens wrote:
> David Sean Brown wrote:
>
> > More info for all (asked about the no BR products this year while on
> > the Greyhawk list)...
> >
> > >On a completely un-Greyhawk related line, I can't help but notice the Q4
> > >product summary does NOT contain any Birthright products as previously
> > >indicated (or at the very least hinted at) on the BR list...any
> > indication
> > >of things never to come again?
> >
> > I'm not on the BR list and don't know what hints you're referring to. I
> > do know that we don't have any plans to release any new BR products this
> > year.
> >
> > - Sean
>
> Any inside info on what the people who decide these things are doing about BR?
>
> ************************************************** *************************
> > 'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
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05-20-1999, 02:16 AM #7SidhainGuest
[birthright]
> Now, being in my middle twenties, my group is mostly the same age.
>Among them, two of them started with AD&D. The others having started with
>Palladium, because their dad had said no to AD&D, but allowed Heroes
>Unlimited... Needless to say, they were AD&D prejudice and called it a
>prehistoric system... (by this time they were into character points systems
>and what not... all of which I think takes the gambling aspect out of the
>game). When I it was my turn to GM, I elected to haul out AD&D and forced
>them to actualy read it. I also made them read the BR book. Needless to
>say, we all enjoyed the game, and it ending in a spectacular war between
the
>two dominant playes.
> Where am I headed with this? Well that is a good question. What I
>am saying is the Birthright series has two strikes against it. One is
>ignorant word of mouth. Somehow the majority of people who have heard of BR
>but not picked up a copy is because they heard it was complicated and a bad
>world. Both untrue. And the second is that it has the AD&D stigma
attached.
>The advanced gamers it needs, and who would enjoy it, avoid it because they
>avoid AD&D. These strikes helped to drive it out of the market before it
had
>a chance to fully achieve its recognition. All I can say is keep playing
it.
>Spread it to all you meet. Word of mouth can be a poweful thing. If the
>right ears, hear the right thing at the right time, then it can be very
>effective.
Just a note I am in my middle-late twenties and I myself have all but
abandoned AD&D, simply because of its limitations, I utterly despise the
pedantic Vancian magic system, Birthright is the ONLY reason I have to still
play AD&D and more and More I am inclined to adapt it to another game
system. One which allows for "skills" and such. Though admittedly I am more
inclined to write a game system to fit it rather than the other way around
(In fact my Fantasy System with My world would probably adapt very very well
to the setting, as would Ars Magica with a little adaptation) DKEvermore (I
don't remember your real name sorry) uses Fuzion which is a bit to clumsy
for my tastes but it might work as well, especially since Fuzion is asking
for setting writers, if we could convince TSR to sell the setting to the
guys at Gold Rush Games(and sell Cheaply), we could then get them to employ
DK , and some of the original authors for a conversion. And for more
original Material, anyone who plays Superhero games and Champions in
particular should know the quality of GRG, I mean San Angelo City of Heroes
was fantastic and I don't even like the Hero System.......
I still think we might also try and cajole TSR to try and use BIrthright as
a springboard for an "Alternity Engine" Fantasy game using the Alternity
Rules.....
I am sorry I ramble on and on but Birthright is indeed one of the most in
depth, most I don't know --stunning Campaign world I have ever seen, and the
fact it was for AD&D sent me into shock...
But we are the people keeping it Alive, if we can somehow gain the leverage
needed to pry this from TSR's iron claws (*L* I actually am fond of TSR
considering some of my favorite products have come from them the only real
venom I have for them is their treatment of Birthright) then maybe we could
find it a new home, once this was unheard of but Ars Magica managed 4
different companies, Talislanta has had 5 or so, Mekton has had 2 and its
now far more common for games to pass from one company to another.....So who
do we have to send envoys too? Who do we have to form treaties with?
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05-20-1999, 06:21 AM #8Hadricon@aol.coGuest
[birthright]
Hey, Birthright is a scrubbed line. Accept it. I believe some had
said they lost money on it. Frankly I find it hard to find anyone outside my
gaming circle locally that even heard of it. Its a clunky rules system that
has some merits, but unless you are willing to sit down and read the rules
all the way through, and take the time to play it, the game is just another
campaign world. You must remember that a gigantic peice of AD&D's market is
of the younger generations. These are people who like the accessability of
the game (You can find it in book stores as opposed to other games that can
only be found in the specialized comic book/hobby stores).
On AOL, we have a lot of the "younger" (9-14) group who play the
games in the chat rooms. Most who I have talked to find their RPGs in those
superstores that sell CDs,Movies,Books, and other things. If you look at the
majority of games on AOL, it is White Wolf, Star Wars, and AD&D. Why? That
is exactly what is in that type of store. When I asked several of them about
the BR game, and those that heard of it complained about the added rules, and
alluded to the fact they liked the simplicity of AD&D.
Now, being in my middle twenties, my group is mostly the same age.
Among them, two of them started with AD&D. The others having started with
Palladium, because their dad had said no to AD&D, but allowed Heroes
Unlimited... Needless to say, they were AD&D prejudice and called it a
prehistoric system... (by this time they were into character points systems
and what not... all of which I think takes the gambling aspect out of the
game). When I it was my turn to GM, I elected to haul out AD&D and forced
them to actualy read it. I also made them read the BR book. Needless to
say, we all enjoyed the game, and it ending in a spectacular war between the
two dominant playes.
Where am I headed with this? Well that is a good question. What I
am saying is the Birthright series has two strikes against it. One is
ignorant word of mouth. Somehow the majority of people who have heard of BR
but not picked up a copy is because they heard it was complicated and a bad
world. Both untrue. And the second is that it has the AD&D stigma attached.
The advanced gamers it needs, and who would enjoy it, avoid it because they
avoid AD&D. These strikes helped to drive it out of the market before it had
a chance to fully achieve its recognition. All I can say is keep playing it.
Spread it to all you meet. Word of mouth can be a poweful thing. If the
right ears, hear the right thing at the right time, then it can be very
effective. Yet, I would not count on that. I would count on one thing. Its
dead. Live with that. Of course, I would like to be proved wrong.
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