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    Now after the new 3.5 version is released, I'm wondering what the comments of the BR-community are...


    My personal opinion:

    positive:
    - the bard (6+ int-mod of skill points, several new abilities)
    - the paladin (more smite evil per day)
    - the ranger (several new abilities)
    - less different skills
    - the druids animal companion (abilities like a familiar)
    - the bard's and sorcerer's new ability to change known spells
    - new spells
    - the cleric's and wizard's more class skills

    indifferent:
    - simply renamed skills (not really nesessary)
    - changed attack system (better for miniatures, maybe not this good for tabletop)
    - the paladin (now 3 levels below a cleric to turn undead, there is room for discussion, if that's good)
    - the ranger (same room for discussion about his average HD, IMO he is no real warrior any more)
    - some feats are not really this great

    negative:
    - the crippled magic system
    - I would have liked, that the sorcerer is a bit more changed
    - the spell focus feat is a horror now


    General: Very good changes, if you stop playing a spellcaster...
    May Khirdai always bless your sword and his lightning struck your enemies!

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    WoC officially stated that one of the goal of the new edition was to weaken the spellcaster-abilities.

    This is reflected by drastic modification of spells (~10%) and by weakening of e.g. spell focus.

    Spellcaster players of course won't like it. I'am not shure so far if the modifications support the game-balance.


    I like

    - the new Ranger
    - the clarifications
    - the new druid


    I'am disappointed

    - with the new Bard


    I hate

    - the focus on miniature game rules. The reason for this lies clearly in the new upcoming miniature product lines and in the hope to take over some table-top player.
    - the typeset and logical errors. Enworld publicated already a list of errors, several more are out. This is awful for a new edition, don't want to download 50 pages of errata sheets. This holds especially for the new Monster Handbook (this is the 3! 3. Edition).
    my purpose is now to lead you into the Pallace where you shall have a clear and delightful view of all those various objects, and scattered excellencies, that lye up and down upon the face of creation, which are only seen by those that go down into the Seas, and by no other....

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    on:



    1. The changes are numerous and big enough to warrant publishing new

    books. I disagree with those that think the changes are too great - if

    there were no changes, only erratas and clarifications, there would be

    no point in buying the book.



    2. The changes are not in any way big enough to call it an entirely new

    edition. Which is good, as it lets me use my other DnD stuff with very

    little trouble.



    3. The books are cheap. The last books were $90 for three years of fun.

    If the same holds true for this edition, its one of the cheapes hobbies

    there is!



    4. In general, all the changes are cool (save the summoning warhorse

    ability of paladins).



    If there are some things I don`t like it is:



    1. There are just too many stupid little errors! Take the tanle with

    Difficulty Class Examples. This example about the maxed ranger has DC 43

    in both editions, even if a 3.g ranger that is maxed out as 5 more

    points to work out. Maybe a lame example, but this is not the only one.



    B
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    bby remains inexpensive even with an additional 90$US

    thrown in is not a good argument for the addition of the $90. I purchase

    one 20-30 $ book a month, and this will set me back 3 months for every

    single subseqent purchase I make. I`d rather buy new materials than

    reworked versions of the old every couple of years.



    Kenneth Gauck

    kgauck@mchsi.com

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    I play a Ranger most of the time and I love the changes.
    Ken Johnson
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    Remember all 3.5 changes are in the SRD, so you can get them all free; no need to pay for the books.

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    Remember all 3.5 changes are in the SRD, so you can get them all free; no need to pay for the books.
    What, exactly, is SRD? And where do I go to get free updates of the changes?

    Osprey

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    Standard Reference Document - It contains (almost) every important rule

    from DnD.



    Go to URL:



    http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=srd35



    No paying 90 bucks for the books if you don`t need that special

    hard-cover feeling when you`re playing ;-)



    Bj°rn



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    Osprey wrote:

    Remember all 3.5 changes are in the SRD, so you can get them

    all free; no need to pay for the books.


    What, exactly, is SRD? And where do I go to get free updates of the

    changes?



    Osprey



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    Originally posted by Gab@Aug 11 2003, 11:35 AM
    Remember all 3.5 changes are in the SRD, so you can get them all free; no need to pay for the books.
    Actually they only contain a summary of the changes at the big ticket level not all of the specific changes. And not the specifics of the changes.
    Duane Eggert

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    SRD? And where do I go to get free updates of the changes?



    The System Reference Documents are basically the three core rule books with all the flavour text cut out. If you want the rules only it is a much easier document to use. As WotC say themselves:



    Q: What`s missing from the SRD compared to the core D&D rulebooks?

    A: Mostly the "flavor" elements. There are no named gods, none of the spells have significant NPC names, there`s no mention of Greyhawk, etc. You`ll also note that there are no rules for character creation, for advancing characters in level, calculating experience, or anything else related to the topics forbidden by the Usage Guide.



    You can dowload it at:

    http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=srd35



    The best part is:

    Q: Could I publish the whole thing?

    A: Sure. If you think someone would be willing to pay for it, you`re more than welcome to try.

    :-D



    Another good one is the documents that contain what is changed between v3.0 and v3.5. They cover the three core books, and the 5 other hardcover books. Download it at:

    http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20030718a



    Cheers,

    Even
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