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    We had discussed it previously. Now it's time to vote for it.

    Should there any of the new 3. Edition races be included?

    Should the Gnome be included?

    What about Half Dragon, Genasi, Half Celestial, Half Gennie, some new races of Savage species?


    I don't think that the Birthright flair is changed if some of the new races are included, it gives the game some new possibilities and motivations. Each DM can restrict the number of new races.
    my purpose is now to lead you into the Pallace where you shall have a clear and delightful view of all those various objects, and scattered excellencies, that lye up and down upon the face of creation, which are only seen by those that go down into the Seas, and by no other....

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    I disagree with it being time to "vote" on this. IMO we should wait to see what ends up in the 3.5 version before going crazy with this. Also, it should be up to the DM to introduce any non-standard races. Leave it to Doom to call for the vote, he's the editor and it should be his decision as to when the "discussion" has reached an end.
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    Originally posted by irdeggman
    Leave it to Doom to call for the vote


    So why do we discuss anyway?
    my purpose is now to lead you into the Pallace where you shall have a clear and delightful view of all those various objects, and scattered excellencies, that lye up and down upon the face of creation, which are only seen by those that go down into the Seas, and by no other....

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    From: "Azrai" <brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG>

    > We had discussed it previously. Now it`s time to vote for it.
    >
    > Should there any of the new 3. Edition races be included?
    >
    > Should the Gnome be included?
    >
    > What about Half Dragon, Genasi, Half Celestial, Half Gennie, some new
    races of Savage species?
    >

    No to gnome, genasi and their ilk. And no to monks while at it.

    Yes to goblin, greater goblin (aka hobgoblin), oruk, ogre and possibly
    lizardfolk.

    Yes to ECL.



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    Azrai - I did not say "no" to a vote. You seem to imply that I'm against any type of polling system. All I said was that IMO it was not time for a vote and that the chapter editor (Doom in this case) should make the call when he/she feels the discussion has reached an end. Not everything will be called up for a vote individually, several things will probably be "decided" just based on the "tone" of the discussions. If we have polls on every thing popping up that is discussed then nothing will ever get accomplished.

    The intent is to have some sort of final vote for the whole thing once most of the issues have been addressed. There will of course be revisions posted based on feedback for additional discussions prior to this "final" vote.

    Note as per my other posts that I don't think enough people have given feedback to come to some kind of concensus on much of anything, 1000-2500 downloads and maybe 20 people commenting.

    Whenever a poll is conducted there should be some "guidelines" established. Should it be a simple majority, twice as many for as against, etc. How do we handle thos on the mailing list who don't use the birtright.net posts and hence can't "place" a vote, how do we make sure for those who don't use the poll that they don't "stuff the ballots" because if they aren't using the polling system they can send in many e-mail votes.

    Before going straight to a vote things need to be decided on how to proceed.
    Duane Eggert

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    At 12:04 PM 2/26/2003 +0100, Azrai wrote:

    >Should there any of the new 3. Edition races be included?
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    >Should the Gnome be included?
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    >What about Half Dragon, Genasi, Half Celestial, Half Gennie, some new
    >races of Savage species?

    I vote no for all of the above (in fact, if I can pull the lever more than
    once for "no" on gnomes, please assume I stand there all day doing so to
    make sure there are no hanging, pregnant or otherwise ambiguously punched
    chads.) If someone really feels compelled to put in gnomes and other
    non-standard BR races I personally would appreciate it being in an appendix
    so I don`t have to bother ripping those pages out of the middle someplace,
    destroying the continuity of the document.

    I would include those entries in SS that already are noted in the original
    materials, but not any new ones. I got a gander at this book last weekend
    BTW and found it very interesting. Given the way it presented "monster
    classes" it makes one wonder of what use the template system will be in the
    future. Some variant of that system could be very useful for portraying
    awn- and ersheghlien, not to mention the occasional blooded character of
    monstrous proportions or decent.

    Gary

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    Originally posted by irdeggman
    The intent is to have some sort of final vote for the whole thing once most of the issues have been addressed. There will of course be revisions posted based on feedback for additional discussions prior to this "final" vote.
    This was not meant as some "final" voting. Just to sum up the previous discussion and to give a first overview. I thought this could be helpful.
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    On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Azrai wrote:
    > This was not meant as some "final" voting. Just to sum up the
    > previous discussion and to give a first overview. I thought this could
    > be helpful.

    It won`t. The even dozen of us discussing the matter aren`t enough to
    form any sort of quorum one way or the other. The default should be as
    few changes from the source material as possible. Playable air elementals
    et al from Savage Species is not something we should even be pondering.
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    Yes to new races, even half-dragon or genasi. This will give Birthright a new color...
    May Khirdai always bless your sword and his lightning struck your enemies!

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    Ariadne wrote:

    >This post was generated by the Birthright.net message forum.
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    > Ariadne wrote:
    > Yes to new races, even half-dragon or genasi. This will give Birthright a new color...
    >
    Does it need new colour? ;-)
    A half-dragon requires a dragon to breed with some non-dragon. With
    barely a dozen dragons in the whole of Cerilia and as far as I know all
    of them sleeping for decades at a time and when not being reclusive in
    remote areas like the Five Peaks and Drachenward?

    How should they create off-spring in sufficient numbers to justify the
    addition of the "half-dragon" as a race in Birthright?

    The one or two half-dragons that exist (Ohlaak in Rjurik could be one)
    would be an odditiy, an abomination, but not a whole race.


    I do not know what Genasi are, could someone enlighten me?


    Gnomes are a delicate matter - some seem to feel an irrational hatred
    towards these small fellows...
    I know that in the old 2E Birthright material -somewhere, I don´t
    remember now where- gnomes where mentioned.

    However there is no gnomish realm, which leads me to the conclusion that
    gnomes are even rarer than halflings.

    Perhaps Gnomes should not be added as another race, but as a sub-race of
    halflings or dwarves, just like goblinoids are a big family of
    goblins/hobgoblins/bugbears?
    bye
    Michael Romes

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