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    > Satanta wrote:
    >> I always wonderd how the english saw arthur as one of their national
    >> heros, he was a celt who fought the saxons [...] how is some one who
    >> supposedly made every effort to destroy the saxons now their hero?

    Michael Romes replied:
    > Charlemagne (Karl der Gro▀e) conquered the Saxons (of the area now
    > germany) too - and yet he is considered a great leader of great
    > achievements in Germany :-)

    There is an implied parallel here (Arthur not Saxon, now a hero of
    Anglo-Saxon people, Karl not German, now a hero of German people) which is
    required for the reply to make sense in the context of the material from
    your original message and in the other examples from your post (Alexander
    and Hellas).

    My point was that Karl actually was a German.

    > What did you want to say to me with that Kenneth? That he is not
    > considered a great leader by germans or that he did not conquer the
    > saxons?

    Well, neither of these were argued in my post, so I know not from which hat
    you pulled these.

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    > Satanta wrote:
    >> I always wonderd how the english saw arthur as one of their national
    >> heros, he was a celt who fought the saxons [...] how is some one who
    >> supposedly made every effort to destroy the saxons now their hero?

    Michael Romes replied:
    > Charlemagne (Karl der Gro▀e) conquered the Saxons (of the area now
    > germany) too - and yet he is considered a great leader of great
    > achievements in Germany :-)

    There is an implied parallel here (Arthur not Saxon, now a hero of
    Anglo-Saxon people, Karl not German, now a hero of German people) which is
    required for the reply to make sense in the context of the material from
    your original message and in the other examples from your post (Alexander
    and Hellas).

    My point was that Karl actually was a German.

    > What did you want to say to me with that Kenneth? That he is not
    > considered a great leader by germans or that he did not conquer the
    > saxons?

    Well, neither of these were argued in my post, so I know not from which hat
    you pulled these.

    Kenneth Gauck
    kgauck@mchsi.com

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