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JulesMrshn@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 4/17/99 10:06:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
> matroy@abacom.com writes:
>
> cleverly-played
> 5th-level thief can beat a cleverly-played 1st-level thief, while the
> reverse is
> not necessarily true.
> >>
>
> The characters were not poorly played, we were just out played by our DM. I
> see it has never happened to you our you would have never made that
> statement, and I seiously doubt it because you are a beter player then I (or
> that I am a better player then you, I find all players can be just about the
> same if the assert themselves). I just think your DM is not deadly enough,
> but that comes from someone who plays in a really deadly gameing group, so I
> like the risks of PC death.
> ******************************************

I think what is meant here is that characters who defended their weaknesses as
well as your DM exploited yours (or as well as your DM's thief defended his)
would be able to win. There is no way that being able to do as much as someone
else, plus other things on top of that, could possibly equal out to a weakness,
except by oversight. Now that's something that happens as often to any player as
to any other (or in the real world, too). But a 5th level thief would not be
able to lose to a 1st, unless he was slipping somewhere where he shouldn't (for
example, couldn't climb walls, where the first was hanging from the ceiling, or
caught by a clever trap devised by the first where he had slept through those
particular lessons). For a DM to exploit weaknesses and oversights is generally
very easy, even with extraordinarily powerful characters.
Thx,
Alaric

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JulesMrshn@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 4/17/99 10:06:49 PM Central Daylight
Time,
matroy@abacom.com writes:
<< Of course, poorly-played characters can lose to anything, but
a
cleverly-played
 5th-level thief can beat a cleverly-played 1st-level thief, while
the
reverse is
 not necessarily true.
 >>
The characters were not poorly played, we were just out played by our
DM.  I
see it has never happened to you our you would have never made that
statement, and I seiously doubt it because you are a beter player then
I (or
that I am a better player then you, I find all players can be just
about the
same if the assert themselves).  I just think your DM is not deadly
enough,
but that comes from someone who plays in a really deadly gameing group,
so I
like the risks of PC death.
******************************************
I think what is meant here is that characters who defended their weaknesses
as well as your DM exploited yours (or as well as your DM's thief defended
his) would be able to win. There is no way that being able to do
as much as someone else, plus other things on top of that, could
possibly equal out to a weakness, except by oversight. Now that's something
that happens as often to any player as to any other (or in the real world,
too). But a 5th level thief would not be able to lose to a 1st,
unless he was slipping somewhere where he shouldn't (for example, couldn't
climb walls, where the first was hanging from the ceiling, or caught by
a clever trap devised by the first where he had slept through those particular
lessons). For a DM to exploit weaknesses and oversights is generally very
easy, even with extraordinarily powerful characters.
Thx,
   Alaric

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