Sea Trade Routes

[Whalejudge@aol.co]

For trade routes between two provinces by sea, does a route count against the
maximum regardless of the initiating province, or can each initiate as many as
are desired? For example, Ilien can support three routes. Can it send one to
Ariya, one to Rjuvik, and one to Talinie, as well as receive one from Taeghas,
one from Zikala, and one from Dhoesone?

[Jim Cooper]

Whalejudge@aol.com wrote:
> For example, Ilien can support three routes. Can it send one to
> Ariya, one to Rjuvik, and one to Talinie, as well as receive one from Taeghas, one from Zikala, and one from Dhoesone?

[Gary V. Foss]

Whalejudge@aol.com wrote:

> For trade routes between two provinces by sea, does a route count against the
> maximum regardless of the initiating province, or can each initiate as many as
> are desired? For example, Ilien can support three routes. Can it send one to
> Ariya, one to Rjuvik, and one to Talinie, as well as receive one from Taeghas,
> one from Zikala, and one from Dhoesone?

I only allow as many trade routes (land or sea) into a province as are possible to
go out of a province. That forces players to make some choices regarding who they
are going to make alliances with because they don't have an unlimited amount of
trade routes into their provinces with which to deal. Plus, if there are
unlimited trade routes into a province, why make trade routes anywhere else? Why
wouldn't all trade routes lead to the Imperial City?

Gary

[Trizt]

Whalejudge@aol.com (Whalejudge@aol.com) wrote:

- -> For trade routes between two provinces by sea, does a route count against
the
- -> maximum regardless of the initiating province, or can each initiate as
many as
- -> are desired? For example, Ilien can support three routes. Can it send
one to
- -> Ariya, one to Rjuvik, and one to Talinie, as well as receive one from
Taeghas,
- -> one from Zikala, and one from Dhoesone?

I have ruled that if a province can support 3 trade routes, then it may be
three land-trade or three see-trade or any combination there between.

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[Jim Cooper]

Gary V. Foss wrote:
> Plus, if there are unlimited trade routes into a province, why make trade routes anywhere else? Why wouldn't all trade routes lead to the Imperial City?

[Gary V. Foss]

Jim Cooper wrote:

> Well, because they have to go through Avan or Diemed to do it. That has
> tariffs written all over it. I'm sure everybody wants to trade in the
> big old city, but the tariffs are just too darn much!
>
> Otherwise, the sea has to be used, and few domains have seaport
> provinces.

Tariffs are an issue. The rulers of Avanil and Diemed, however, would not have to worry so much about that.... If there is not limit to the amount of trade
routes possible going into a province, then wouldn't Avan have all his available provinces trading with the IC? Wouldn't Diem do the same? If there is not
limit then trade would only occur to the highest possible provinces, and would earn considerably more GBs too.

The only trade routes set up if there is no limit to the number that can go into a province would be ones to highly populated provinces. I admit, those trade
routes would be the first to be set up, but I don't think there should be no limit on the number that can go into a single province.

I think guilds are at a rather unfair advantage already when it comes to trade routes. They can potentially double, treble or quadruple their earning potential
using them, plus thieves gain regency from trade routes based upon their GB earning potential. The number of guilders who actually have high enough bloodlines
to earn the kind of RPs possible from even the smallest guild is pretty rare, but the point is that they can bring up their potential with ridiculous ease.

Gary

[Memnoch]

Actually, a strict reading of the trade route rules from the Rulebook do not
make a distinction between "incoming" or "outgoing" trade routes from a
province. A Level 7 province can support only 3 trade routes period.
Incoming or outgoing trade routes do not factor in. Ilien could have 2
incoming land routes, with one outgoing land route and 1 incoming sea route
with 2 outgoing sea routes. The distinction between incoming and outgoing
trade routes are house rules made up by various DMs to make a distinction.
If one follows the strict reading of the rules, one doesn't have to worry
about runaway trade route income.

Just my 2 cents.

Memnoch
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary V. Foss
To: birthright@MPGN.COM
Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Sea Trade Routes


>Jim Cooper wrote:
>
>> Well, because they have to go through Avan or Diemed to do it. That has
>> tariffs written all over it. I'm sure everybody wants to trade in the
>> big old city, but the tariffs are just too darn much!
>>
>> Otherwise, the sea has to be used, and few domains have seaport
>> provinces.
>
>Tariffs are an issue. The rulers of Avanil and Diemed, however, would not
have to worry so much about that.... If there is not limit to the amount of
trade
>routes possible going into a province, then wouldn't Avan have all his
available provinces trading with the IC? Wouldn't Diem do the same? If
there is not
>limit then trade would only occur to the highest possible provinces, and
would earn considerably more GBs too.
>
>The only trade routes set up if there is no limit to the number that can go
into a province would be ones to highly populated provinces. I admit, those
trade
>routes would be the first to be set up, but I don't think there should be
no limit on the number that can go into a single province.
>
>I think guilds are at a rather unfair advantage already when it comes to
trade routes. They can potentially double, treble or quadruple their
earning potential
>using them, plus thieves gain regency from trade routes based upon their GB
earning potential. The number of guilders who actually have high enough
bloodlines
>to earn the kind of RPs possible from even the smallest guild is pretty
rare, but the point is that they can bring up their potential with
ridiculous ease.
>
>Gary
>
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>

[Jim Cooper]

Gary V. Foss wrote:
>> If there is not limit to the amount of trade routes possible going into a province, then wouldn't Avan have all his available provinces trading with the IC? Wouldn't Diem do the same? If there is not
limit then trade would only occur to the highest possible provinces, and
would earn considerably more GBs too.

[Jim Cooper]

Memnoch wrote:
> Actually, a strict reading of the trade route rules from the Rulebook do not make a distinction between "incoming" or "outgoing" trade routes from a province.

[Gary V. Foss]

Memnoch wrote:

> Actually, a strict reading of the trade route rules from the Rulebook do not
> make a distinction between "incoming" or "outgoing" trade routes from a
> province. A Level 7 province can support only 3 trade routes period.
> Incoming or outgoing trade routes do not factor in. Ilien could have 2
> incoming land routes, with one outgoing land route and 1 incoming sea route
> with 2 outgoing sea routes. The distinction between incoming and outgoing
> trade routes are house rules made up by various DMs to make a distinction.
> If one follows the strict reading of the rules, one doesn't have to worry
> about runaway trade route income.

This is also true. The Rulebook does not differentiate between incoming and
outgoing trade routes. It just seems to me that even a province which can only
support a single trade route would be able to have one going in and one going
out, so I kind of like that as a house rule until I get some word from the
TSR/Wizards guys. Since it looks like that ain't gonna happen any time soon,
I'll just go with things like they are....

Gary