Elven Rangers

[the Falcon]

> Third, you could rule that the elven ranger actually
> do receives his spells from the real forest manifestation
> rather than from Erik but I don't much like this idea.
> Otherwise we will have a lot of new worships. Remember
> that force concept? Don't fit very much in Birthright I
> think. So let's just dismiss this third one(please!).

Mmm... I think I like this option best... :)

[Temujin]

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'Then how would an elven ranger get his priestly spells?
Anyone ever thought of that?'

Well... I would probably say that there are three
ways to handle it:

First, considering the fact that elves have no gods,
elven rangers would receive no priest spells.

Second, they might actually receive priest spells
from Erik, without knowing it. Since Erik is a god of
nature, he might just give them the spells because they do
work for the good of nature even if they don't work for
him. There are a lot of examples of people who receive
spells from a power they do not worship 'directly' but
'indirectly' due to their concept of life or whatsoever.
An example of the above would be the Haelyn priest in
Talinie(I think) who actually receives his spells from
Elo=e8le. So the elven ranger would probably consider he
receives spells from his beloved forests.

Third, you could rule that the elven ranger actually
do receives his spells from the real forest manifestation
rather than from Erik but I don't much like this idea.
Otherwise we will have a lot of new worships. Remember
that force concept? Don't fit very much in Birthright I
think. So let's just dismiss this third one(please!).

Temujin.

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[Jim Cooper]

breye wrote:
> There is another way to treat this, Long ago in the first edition rule
> booksRangers recieved mage spells, it would be easy to allow Elven
> Rangers in Birthright to have access to the schools of nchantment/Charm, All and another school, say Alteration.<

Hey, good point! I'm implementing this idea as of now IMC. Thanks!

Cheers,
Darren

[breye]

> 'Then how would an elven ranger get his priestly spells?
> Anyone ever thought of that?

> Well... I would probably say that there are three
> ways to handle it:

*answers below snipped a bit*

> First, considering the fact that elves have no gods,
> elven rangers would receive no priest spells.
>
> Second, they might actually receive priest spells
> from Erik, without knowing it.
>
> Third, you could rule that the elven ranger actually
> do receives his spells from the real forest manifestation
> rather than from Erik

There is another way to treat this, Long ago in the first edition rule
booksRangers recieved mage spells, it would be easy to allow Elven
Rangers in
Birthright to have access to the schools of Enchantment/Charm, All and
another school,
say Alteration.

Bryan

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[JulesMrshn@aol.co]

Rangers recieve their powers from the land.

[Pieter A de Jong]

Jim Cooper wrote:
>
> breye wrote:
> > There is another way to treat this, Long ago in the first edition rule
> > booksRangers recieved mage spells, it would be easy to allow Elven
> > Rangers in Birthright to have access to the schools of nchantment/Charm, All and another school, say Alteration.<
>
> Hey, good point! I'm implementing this idea as of now IMC. Thanks!
>
This does introduce a couple of complications. 1) does the ranger have
a spellbook. Does he have to learn spells like a mage or does he get
given them from his connection to nature. 2) Mage spells are
significantly more powerful than priest spells, and perhaps less
appropriate. Is giving rangers mage spells going to unbalance your
game?

Pieter A de Jong
Graduate Mechanical Engineering Student
University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

[Trizt]

Pieter A de Jong wrote:

> This does introduce a couple of complications. 1) does the ranger have
> a spellbook. Does he have to learn spells like a mage or does he get
> given them from his connection to nature. 2) Mage spells are
> significantly more powerful than priest spells, and perhaps less
> appropriate. Is giving rangers mage spells going to unbalance your
> game?

There are always the risk of unbalance, and IMHO AD&D already is
unbalanced.
But one way to lessen the unblance which may come from this is to have a
INT
requerment, here is my suggestion:

Str 13, Dex 13, Con 14, Int 14

Half-Elves can either be a "human" or an "elven" Ranger, those who has
grown up among elves are "elven" rangers, while those grown up among
humans are "human" rangers.

The "elven" rangers don't carry any spellbooks, but they use scrolls as
thise are easier to carry than a thick and heavy book.


Don't forget that it's up to you if you will use thise suggestions.

//Trizt

[Jim Cooper]

Pieter A de Jong wrote:
> This does introduce a couple of complications. 1) does the ranger have a spellbook. Does he have to learn spells like a mage or does he get given them from his connection to nature.<

I imagined they learn spells more like bards do in Cerilia - through the
spellsong of the elves. I think elves would naturally gravitate towards
wizard spells, and it makes sense in the context of the milieu.

Cheers,
Darren

[JulesMrshn@aol.co]

I have got to say, I do not like the idea of Elven Rangers having Magic. I
have always just explained it by saying that Ranger get their power from the
land. I put forth that there are forces unlering in nature that are not
beings, but just forces. It is the forces that the ranger recieve their power
from. The forces are not powerful, but they are there to be controlled. It
explains in my mind, why elves do not worship gods since they are intune with
the forces that the gods themselves are in tune with. It also explains why
they live as long as they do, and why they do not destroy sources as the
population grows.

[breye]

Pieter A de Jong wrote:

> Jim Cooper wrote:
> >
> > breye wrote:
> > > There is another way to treat this, Long ago in the first edition rule
> > > booksRangers recieved mage spells, it would be easy to allow Elven
> > > Rangers in Birthright to have access to the schools of Enchantment/Charm, All and another school, say Alteration.

OR maybe Illusion...

> This does introduce a couple of complications.
> 1) does the ranger havea spellbook. Does he have to learn spells like a mage or does he get given them from his
> connection to nature.

As I run it? Yes. Being in this case more of akin to a mage then a priest, yes they need a spell book, like other
mages. Elves are a lot less selfish about their magics then humans. It should not be difficult for a high level ranger
in good standing with his community to obtain a few low level spells.

> 2) Mage spells are significantly more powerful than priest spells, and perhaps less
> appropriate. Is giving rangers mage spells going to unbalance your game?

Yes, mage spells are more powerful than priest spells to a point. We are only talking about first thru third level
spells, and I did suggest a limitation on the schools that they have access to. To obtain spells, a ranger must be
fairly high level in any case, and as we have already discussed, in BR, it is fairly rare to see a character reach much
past 8th or 9th.

Bryan


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[breye]

JulesMrshn@aol.com wrote:

> I have got to say, I do not like the idea of Elven Rangers having Magic.

Thats odd, I don't like the idea of BR elves haveing priestly magic...

> I have always just explained it by saying that Ranger get their power from the
> land. I put forth that there are forces unlering in nature that are not
> beings, but just forces.

Being a priest of a force is not signifigantly different from being a priest of a
power, But if you wish to use that explaination, fine.

> It is the forces that the ranger recieve their power from. The forces are not
> powerful, but they are there to be controlled. It explains in my mind, why elves
> do not worship gods since they are intune with the forces that the gods
> themselves are in tune with. It also explains why they live as long as they do,
> and why they do not destroy sources as the
> population grows.

The power of magic runs in elven blood, this is why even non blooded elves may be
true mages. Believing in something other themselves is counter to the elven way
of life. There is not a "Force" of the woodlands which must be protected, elves
must protect the woodland.

Bryan

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[the Falcon]

> > > > There is another way to treat this, Long ago in the first edition rule
> > > > booksRangers recieved mage spells, it would be easy to allow Elven
> > > > Rangers in Birthright to have access to the schools of Enchantment/Charm, All and another school, say Alteration.
>
> OR maybe Illusion...

or Divination or maybe both... how about complete access to
Enchantment/Charm, and access to 1st- and 2nd-level spells only of
Divination, Illusion, and Universal Magic?

[JulesMrshn@aol.co]

In a message dated 99-02-03 07:51:13 EST, you write:

>

Why is believeing in something other then themselves not the elven way. They
believe in magic. They believe in the connection to the land. In fact it is
this "connection" that allows them to invest with the realm spell cast. It is
this connection that gives Rangers, who are more in tune with the forces of
nature then other elves, their preist like spells and powers. Elves live in
tune with nature, and therefore do not have to grow crops as humans do, not
cultavate as humans do. They also have a great understanding of the magic
flows, so "prtecting" the land is something the choose to do. They live in
harmony, and the generations of hatred that has stemed from the human vs elf
conflicts make them the protectors of the land because they see the magic
depletion as a depletion of their power and their essence.