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    > Third, you could rule that the elven ranger actually
    > do receives his spells from the real forest manifestation
    > rather than from Erik but I don't much like this idea.
    > Otherwise we will have a lot of new worships. Remember
    > that force concept? Don't fit very much in Birthright I
    > think. So let's just dismiss this third one(please!).

    Mmm... I think I like this option best... :)

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    'Then how would an elven ranger get his priestly spells?
    Anyone ever thought of that?'

    Well... I would probably say that there are three
    ways to handle it:

    First, considering the fact that elves have no gods,
    elven rangers would receive no priest spells.

    Second, they might actually receive priest spells
    from Erik, without knowing it. Since Erik is a god of
    nature, he might just give them the spells because they do
    work for the good of nature even if they don't work for
    him. There are a lot of examples of people who receive
    spells from a power they do not worship 'directly' but
    'indirectly' due to their concept of life or whatsoever.
    An example of the above would be the Haelyn priest in
    Talinie(I think) who actually receives his spells from
    Elo=e8le. So the elven ranger would probably consider he
    receives spells from his beloved forests.

    Third, you could rule that the elven ranger actually
    do receives his spells from the real forest manifestation
    rather than from Erik but I don't much like this idea.
    Otherwise we will have a lot of new worships. Remember
    that force concept? Don't fit very much in Birthright I
    think. So let's just dismiss this third one(please!).

    Temujin.

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    Jim Cooper
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    breye wrote:
    > There is another way to treat this, Long ago in the first edition rule
    > booksRangers recieved mage spells, it would be easy to allow Elven
    > Rangers in Birthright to have access to the schools of nchantment/Charm, All and another school, say Alteration.<

    Hey, good point! I'm implementing this idea as of now IMC. Thanks!

    Cheers,
    Darren

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    breye
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    > 'Then how would an elven ranger get his priestly spells?
    > Anyone ever thought of that?

    > Well... I would probably say that there are three
    > ways to handle it:

    *answers below snipped a bit*

    > First, considering the fact that elves have no gods,
    > elven rangers would receive no priest spells.
    >
    > Second, they might actually receive priest spells
    > from Erik, without knowing it.
    >
    > Third, you could rule that the elven ranger actually
    > do receives his spells from the real forest manifestation
    > rather than from Erik

    There is another way to treat this, Long ago in the first edition rule
    booksRangers recieved mage spells, it would be easy to allow Elven
    Rangers in
    Birthright to have access to the schools of Enchantment/Charm, All and
    another school,
    say Alteration.

    Bryan

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    JulesMrshn@aol.co
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    Elven Rangers

    Rangers recieve their powers from the land.

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    Pieter A de Jong
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    Jim Cooper wrote:
    >
    > breye wrote:
    > > There is another way to treat this, Long ago in the first edition rule
    > > booksRangers recieved mage spells, it would be easy to allow Elven
    > > Rangers in Birthright to have access to the schools of nchantment/Charm, All and another school, say Alteration.<
    >
    > Hey, good point! I'm implementing this idea as of now IMC. Thanks!
    >
    This does introduce a couple of complications. 1) does the ranger have
    a spellbook. Does he have to learn spells like a mage or does he get
    given them from his connection to nature. 2) Mage spells are
    significantly more powerful than priest spells, and perhaps less
    appropriate. Is giving rangers mage spells going to unbalance your
    game?

    Pieter A de Jong
    Graduate Mechanical Engineering Student
    University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

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    Trizt
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    Elven Rangers

    Pieter A de Jong wrote:

    > This does introduce a couple of complications. 1) does the ranger have
    > a spellbook. Does he have to learn spells like a mage or does he get
    > given them from his connection to nature. 2) Mage spells are
    > significantly more powerful than priest spells, and perhaps less
    > appropriate. Is giving rangers mage spells going to unbalance your
    > game?

    There are always the risk of unbalance, and IMHO AD&D already is
    unbalanced.
    But one way to lessen the unblance which may come from this is to have a
    INT
    requerment, here is my suggestion:

    Str 13, Dex 13, Con 14, Int 14

    Half-Elves can either be a "human" or an "elven" Ranger, those who has
    grown up among elves are "elven" rangers, while those grown up among
    humans are "human" rangers.

    The "elven" rangers don't carry any spellbooks, but they use scrolls as
    thise are easier to carry than a thick and heavy book.


    Don't forget that it's up to you if you will use thise suggestions.

    //Trizt

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    Jim Cooper
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    Pieter A de Jong wrote:
    > This does introduce a couple of complications. 1) does the ranger have a spellbook. Does he have to learn spells like a mage or does he get given them from his connection to nature.<

    I imagined they learn spells more like bards do in Cerilia - through the
    spellsong of the elves. I think elves would naturally gravitate towards
    wizard spells, and it makes sense in the context of the milieu.

    Cheers,
    Darren

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    JulesMrshn@aol.co
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    I have got to say, I do not like the idea of Elven Rangers having Magic. I
    have always just explained it by saying that Ranger get their power from the
    land. I put forth that there are forces unlering in nature that are not
    beings, but just forces. It is the forces that the ranger recieve their power
    from. The forces are not powerful, but they are there to be controlled. It
    explains in my mind, why elves do not worship gods since they are intune with
    the forces that the gods themselves are in tune with. It also explains why
    they live as long as they do, and why they do not destroy sources as the
    population grows.

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    breye
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    Pieter A de Jong wrote:

    > Jim Cooper wrote:
    > >
    > > breye wrote:
    > > > There is another way to treat this, Long ago in the first edition rule
    > > > booksRangers recieved mage spells, it would be easy to allow Elven
    > > > Rangers in Birthright to have access to the schools of Enchantment/Charm, All and another school, say Alteration.

    OR maybe Illusion...

    > This does introduce a couple of complications.
    > 1) does the ranger havea spellbook. Does he have to learn spells like a mage or does he get given them from his
    > connection to nature.

    As I run it? Yes. Being in this case more of akin to a mage then a priest, yes they need a spell book, like other
    mages. Elves are a lot less selfish about their magics then humans. It should not be difficult for a high level ranger
    in good standing with his community to obtain a few low level spells.

    > 2) Mage spells are significantly more powerful than priest spells, and perhaps less
    > appropriate. Is giving rangers mage spells going to unbalance your game?

    Yes, mage spells are more powerful than priest spells to a point. We are only talking about first thru third level
    spells, and I did suggest a limitation on the schools that they have access to. To obtain spells, a ranger must be
    fairly high level in any case, and as we have already discussed, in BR, it is fairly rare to see a character reach much
    past 8th or 9th.

    Bryan


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