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    My current main campaign revolves around the crimelord PC`s, and their
    attempt to take over the Empire from inside the Imperial City itself by
    creating Anuire`s first Mafia.

    I have finally gotten around to doing a bit of research on British and
    Roman military ranks, and have come up with how the Imperial City Guard
    are organized and ranked. IMC, The Imperial Legion has reserved itself
    to the role of City Guard after the decay of the Empire, and only go out
    into the field when the Empire is attacked from outside forces that
    threaten the heart of the Empire itself (such as when one of the
    Gorgon`s rampages gets into the lower Heartlands). These ranks could be
    extrapolated into "Imperial Ranks" for all armies that still follow the
    old Imperial Code, however.

    Note that most of this is inspired by a mix of British and Roman
    military ranks, and greatly simplifies the number and relationship of
    such ranks. Not all rank titles match exactly with how we commonly think
    of them in modern military. I believe this fits the BR creator`s
    decision to do the same to Anuirean political ranks (Baron/Count ->
    Duke/Archduke -> Emperor).

    Here they are:

    General: Oversees the entire Imperial City and all Imperial Legions. In
    other parts of the Empire there may be multiple Generals to a kingdom,
    but in the IC there is just one. He also makes policy and is responsible
    for all guards/soldiers.
    Lieutenant-General: Is the primary aid and "hier" to the General. He
    fills in for the General when the General is not available. While there
    may be multiple "lieutenants to the General", there is only one
    "Lieutenant-General".
    Staff to the General: Made up of (enlisted) Sergeants, they assist the
    General in mundane maintenence tasks such as rounds and check-ups,
    training, and important paper work.

    Major: Oversees a single district of the Imperial City. In other parts
    of the Empire, a Major would oversee all soldiers in a single province
    or area.
    Lieutenant-Major: Is the primary aid and "hier" to the Major. He fills
    in for the Major when the Major is not available. While there may be
    multiple "lieutenants to the Major", there is only one "Lieutenant-Major".
    Staff to the Major: Made up of (enlisted) Sergeants, they assist the
    Major in mundane maintenence tasks such as rounds and check-ups,
    training, and important paper work.

    Captain: Oversees a specific important role in a district of the
    Imperial City, under a Major. Such roles include: market & street
    patrols, bridge & wall guards, prison & headquater guards, and tax
    collection. In other parts of the Empire, a Major would oversee a city
    or border fortress.
    Lieutenant-Captain: Is the primary aid and "hier" to the Captain. He
    fills in for the Captain when the Captain is not available. While there
    may be multiple "lieutenants to the Captain", there is only one
    "Lieutenant-Captain".
    Staff to the Captain: Made up of (enlisted) Sergeants, they assist the
    Captain in mundane maintenence tasks such as rounds and check-ups,
    training, and important paper work.

    Sergeant: A soldier who works his way up through the ranks to become an
    aid in various tasks to a Captain, Major, or General. Such tasks include
    rounds and check-ups, training, and important paper work, among many
    others. The Sergeant`s tasks differ from the Captain`s roles by the
    Captain`s roles typically being more interesting and mission-critical to
    the security and purpose of the Legion.

    Squad Leader: The leader of a squad of leaders. A squad is a formal
    group of 6-12 soldiers plus specialist soldiers. A single squad is
    assigned to a certain duty such as the guarding of a particular bridge
    or section of wall, and the soldiers within the squad rotate through the
    day and week as needed. The leader is one of these men, not in addition to.
    Specialist Soldier: A soldier who is not meant to take the field or be a
    foot soldier. The instead know specific and useful tasks to help their
    squad out, such as writing, cleaning, cooking, errands, etc.
    Soldier: Also called a Guard in the Imperial City, they are the regular
    foot soldiers, meant to take the field and put their lives at risk for
    the safety of the Empire. They differentiate themselves from each other
    by awards and honors granted from superiors and nobles, but essentially
    all have the same duties and training.

    I hope this is useful.

    I`d next like to come up with awards and honors that could be granted to
    Soldiers and Officers in the Legion by superiors or nobles. Any ideas to
    start me off?

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    This sounds ok, but I definitly do not like the "titles" like "captain" and "squad leader" you used.

    this does not fit do a fantasy or middle-age campaign. sounds more like a militaristic-usa-war-classification.

    since thise titel are an important point, I would change them to a more middle-age-like flair.
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    Azrai <brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG> wrote at 02-09-08 12.23:

    > Azrai wrote:
    > This sounds ok, but I definitly do not like the "titles" like "captain" and
    > "squad leader" you used.
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    > this does not fit do a fantasy or middle-age campaign. sounds more like a
    > militaristic-usa-war-classification.

    Captain is definitely medieval - though it was a more important title then
    than it is now.

    Squad leader, though, is not. I agree wheheartedly here.

    /Carl

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    Azrai:
    > since thise titel are an important point, I would change them
    > to a more middle-age-like flair.

    Such as?

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    Very interesting, Adam. I like this kind of thing for a campaign. If you check the Writer's Guild there is a prestige I made (Officer of the Müden Royal Navy).
    About the titles, I guess an aproach following more the Roman Empire would be good. After all, Anuire was an Empire, and very ancient. Thing like "Centurion", IMO, would be cool.

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    In a message dated 9/8/02 6:34:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
    brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG writes:

    << Azrai wrote:
    This sounds ok, but I definitly do not like the "titles" like "captain" and
    "squad leader" you used. >>

    Captain seems OK. but squad leader certainly does not. Corporal and Sergeant
    date at least to the Renaissance. Centurion and Decurion are old Roman terms
    for leaders of groups of 100 and 10, respectively.

    Lee.

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    Azrai wrote:
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    > Azrai wrote:
    > This sounds ok, but I definitly do not like the "titles" like "captain" and "squad leader" you used.
    >
    > this does not fit do a fantasy or middle-age campaign. sounds more like a militaristic-usa-war-classification.
    >
    > since thise titel are an important point, I would change them to a more middle-age-like flair.

    I believe "Captain" is a very middle-age title. Many European cities had
    "captains of the guard", "captains of the watch", etc. Of course the
    actual word used varied from language to language, but even the english
    word "captain" has a long history in the military, even back to the
    middle ages.

    I am willing to stick to "squad leader", but I really don`t know this
    subject enough to be adamant about it. I took the name from reading
    about how ancient Roman soldiers were organized. It`s not the actual
    latin word, of course, but the translation is OK, IMO. I don`t think it
    is too outlandish to think that small groups of soldiers were referred
    to as "squads". Just because the word is used in the modern military
    doesn`t mean it isn`t feasible for middle age use, either.

    I don`t like using Roman or French words very much, such as "Centurion",
    since the Anuirean language isn`t Latin or French. I prefer to stick to
    titles and words that are very english, so the players don`t have to
    stop and "translate" strange words all the time, if that makes sense.

    But if you have better suggestions for titles, I could be convinced to
    do away with the "squad leader" in favor of something else.

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    Adam Theo <theo@THEORETIC.COM> wrote at 02-09-08 23.05:

    > I don`t like using Roman or French words very much, such as "Centurion",
    > since the Anuirean language isn`t Latin or French. I prefer to stick to
    > titles and words that are very english, so the players don`t have to
    > stop and "translate" strange words all the time, if that makes sense.

    Ainurean is a fantasy-celtic language; what are the gaelic titles that the
    modern-day Irish use for their military ranks?

    I tried to search the online dictionaries. the best result, from :
    http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/index.html


    Dictionary Search Results

    Searching MacBain`s
    Search pattern = lieutenant
    Search type = Word


    tànaiste
    next heir, tanist, anything second, Irish tánaiste, lieutenant, second in
    command, heir apparent, Old Irish tánaise, secundus, imthanu, alternation,
    innimthána, talionem: *to-atn-, root at of ath, "re", Sanskrit at, also
    *at-s-men, of àm, time, q.v. (Strachan). Rhys (Celt.Breton@+2, 308) suggests
    connection with Welsh tan, till, Latin tenus, root ten (no root tân?).


    Searching MacBain`s
    Search pattern = champion
    Search type = Word


    curaidh
    a champion, Irish curadh, Early Irish cur, g. curad, caur, Welsh cawr,
    Cornish caur, gigas, Gaulish @GKaúaros (Polyb.), Cavarillus, etc.,
    *kauaro-s, a hero, mighty, root keva, kû, be strong; Sanskrit çavîra,
    mighty, çu@-/ra, hero; Greek @Gkúrios, lord, @Gku@nros, might.2

    greis
    prowess, onset, slaughter, a champion, Early Irish gress, gréss, attack;
    from the root of greas above (Stokes).

    laoch
    a hero, Irish laoch, a soldier, hero, Early Irish láech, a hero, champion:
    *laicus, soldier, "non-cleric", Early Irish láech, laicus, Welsh lleyg; all
    from Latin laicus, a layman, non-cleric.

    mìlidh
    a champion, Irish mileadh, mílidh (O`Br.), Early Irish mílid; from Latin
    miles, militis, soldier.

    niata
    courageous, Irish nia, gen. niadh, a champion, niadhas, valour, Middle Irish
    forniatta, brave, Early Irish nia, g. níath, possibly Ogam neta, netta
    (*nêta?): *neid-, Greek @Go@`neidos, revile, Lithuanian náids, hatred,
    Sanskrit nind, mock, or *ni-sed-, down-setter? Rhys (Lect.) cfs. the
    Teutonic nan<thorn>, venture, strive; this would give Gaelic preserved d.

    oscarach
    bold, fierce, Irish oscar, champion; from the heroic name , son of (Irish
    Oisín, little deer or os, q.v.). Possibly stands for *ud-scaro-,
    "out-cutter", root scar of sgar, q.v. Zimmer derives it from Norse Ásgeirr,
    spear of the Anses or gods, and Oisian from the Saxon Óswine, friend of the
    Anses; which should give respectively Ásgar and Óisine, but the initial
    vowels are both o short in Oscar and Oisian. Doomsday Book has Osgar.

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    I did some research on this a while back to try to figure out where some of the modern military ranks came form . . . . There's an interesting site which covers a lot of this information:

    http://www.history.navy.mil/trivia/trivia04.htm

    There's also some interesting information at these sites which might help out:

    (Organization of the Saxon Army, 1733)
    http://www.gromoboy.narod.ru/saxon/saxon2.html

    (Organization of the Swiss Guard and Other Ceremonial Units Dating From the Medieval Period, Current)
    http://orbat.com/site/data/vatican/

    (Organization of the Yeomen of the Guard, 1485-)
    http://21.1911encyclopedia.org/Y/YE/YEOMEN...F_THE_GUARD.htm

    In general, from what I've gathered, most medieval units were led by a "Captain" -- a term which dates back to Ancient Rome. Larger armies were often led by several "Captains" with a "Captain-General" who was charged with overall command of the army . . . . This would later be shortened to the modern "General".

    You might also consider appointing a chain of command based upon offices of the imperial household -- like lord seneschal, lord castellan, lord justiciar, lord warden, and lord constable.

    Knights might be considered the lowest officer. Then, you could conceivably transition into the ranks of sergeant (originally a servant to a knight) and corporal (originally a veteran in charge of a square of soldiers).

    I'd also steer away from terms like "squad leader".

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Carl Cramér" <carl.cramer@HOME.SE>
    Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 1:19 AM


    > Ainurean is a fantasy-celtic language

    Unfortunatly, Celtic is a heavily applied device for the Anuireans, Rjurik,
    and Sidhe. As such, I try to reserve exotic sounding Gaelic and Celtic
    terms for the elves, and only use such terms for Anuire when they are very
    familiar in English.

    Given the scale at work in BR, captains are probabaly the highest ranking
    figures. Captains commanded castles, ships, towns, and companies of
    soldiers. Commanders above captain would have an office in the realm, or a
    title, instead of a proper rank. These would be offices like marshal,
    constable, or warden. So the captains might be commanded by a count, or
    ideally, by the ruler himself.

    Smaller command generally fell, again, to titled figures, mostly knights.

    Sergeant means some kind of fighter who would strike you as a knight, but
    actually lacked a patent of knighthood. They might just be a man at arms,
    with armor and ability like a knight, ride a horse in armor, or even have a
    plot of land.

    Kenneth Gauck
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