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    From: "Carl Cramér" <carl.cramer@HOME.SE>
    Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:03 AM


    > The vulnerability to silver and moon-curse makes sense - these
    shapeshifters
    > represent a conflict between Azrai and Vorynn (the old moon god). And
    silver
    > is the traditional element of the moon.

    If I were to make Ruornil`s lycanthropes vulnerable to silver, I would
    change the damage reduction for Vos. For one thing, since the kind of
    characters we`re talking about (barbarians) already have some damage
    reduction, some alternate power or immunity seems more appropriate. Plus
    there is the whole business of making them both identifiably different.

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Carl Cramér" <carl.cramer@HOME.SE>
    Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:03 AM


    > The vulnerability to silver and moon-curse makes sense - these
    shapeshifters
    > represent a conflict between Azrai and Vorynn (the old moon god). And
    silver
    > is the traditional element of the moon.

    If I were to make Ruornil`s lycanthropes vulnerable to silver, I would
    change the damage reduction for Vos. For one thing, since the kind of
    characters we`re talking about (barbarians) already have some damage
    reduction, some alternate power or immunity seems more appropriate. Plus
    there is the whole business of making them both identifiably different.

    Kenneth Gauck
    kgauck@mchsi.com

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    I would do this the other way. Lyuchantropy is a power
    of Vorynn, coruppted by Azrai. But Vorynn still has
    power over the corrupt lychantropes; thus they are
    vulnerable to silver. Azrai is also associated with
    disease, similar to lychantropy in standard DnD.

    Pure Vos lychantropes would not transmit the curse nor
    be vulnerable to silver. They probably woul have no
    damage resistance at all, though, beeing much closer
    to natural animals and the chapeshanghers of Erik.

    /Carl

    --- Kenneth Gauck <kgauck@MCHSI.COM> skrev: > -----
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    > From: "Carl Cramér" <carl.cramer@HOME.SE>
    > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:03 AM
    >
    >
    > > The vulnerability to silver and moon-curse makes
    > sense - these
    > shapeshifters
    > > represent a conflict between Azrai and Vorynn (the
    > old moon god). And
    > silver
    > > is the traditional element of the moon.
    >
    > If I were to make Ruornil`s lycanthropes vulnerable
    > to silver, I would
    > change the damage reduction for Vos. For one thing,
    > since the kind of
    > characters we`re talking about (barbarians) already
    > have some damage
    > reduction, some alternate power or immunity seems
    > more appropriate. Plus
    > there is the whole business of making them both
    > identifiably different.
    >
    > Kenneth Gauck
    > kgauck@mchsi.com
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    >
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Carl Cramér" <stephen_starfox@YAHOO.SE>
    Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 10:19 AM


    > I would do this the other way. Lyuchantropy is a power
    > of Vorynn, coruppted by Azrai. But Vorynn still has
    > power over the corrupt lychantropes <snip>

    This is a good explanation for standard fantasy lycanthropy, but this thread
    started with a suggestion for using lycanthropy as a Ruornilian theme. From
    where I`m sitting, I`d be much more interested in lycanthropic defenders of
    sources than I am in traditional lycanthropes. Its nice to be able to leave
    a spot for both if possible, and I think it would be just as easy to change
    the Ruornilian lycanthrope, but their would need to be differences between
    the corrupt versions and the uncorrupted versions.

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    I don't like much things like "all werewolves are evil and all werebears are good". Maybe all the lycanthropys were at first followers of Ruornil, and if it fits the campaign, some of them were corrupted by the Kriesha, Belinik or even Azrai. What I mean is to have not, for example, all werewolves were corrupted and thus are evil. All werebears are pure from Ruornil and thus are good. Some werewolves not evil (still followers of Ruornil) and werebears evil (corrupted)...
    But the other way can be done too... at first there were only werebears followers of Ruornil and Azrai created wererats that are evil...

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    Hmmm. IMC, I used lycanthropy (back in 2nd ed. days) as both curse and
    disease, but the local chief was a Karesha-follower, so I could run with this
    idea. And yes, he was a were-winter wolf.
    While I don`t think a PrC is needed, a warrior society that requires a
    bite from the chief as an entry requirement is pretty cool.

    Lee.

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    How about playing Azrai lychantropes using the monster
    rules, and vorynn lychantropes uing the PrC?

    I guess that is what U were suggesting all along. :-)

    /Carl

    --- Kenneth Gauck <kgauck@MCHSI.COM> skrev: > -----
    Original Message -----
    > From: "Carl Cramér" <stephen_starfox@YAHOO.SE>
    > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 10:19 AM
    >
    >
    > > I would do this the other way. Lyuchantropy is a
    > power
    > > of Vorynn, coruppted by Azrai. But Vorynn still
    > has
    > > power over the corrupt lychantropes <snip>
    >
    > This is a good explanation for standard fantasy
    > lycanthropy, but this thread
    > started with a suggestion for using lycanthropy as a
    > Ruornilian theme. From
    > where I`m sitting, I`d be much more interested in
    > lycanthropic defenders of
    > sources than I am in traditional lycanthropes. Its
    > nice to be able to leave
    > a spot for both if possible, and I think it would be
    > just as easy to change
    > the Ruornilian lycanthrope, but their would need to
    > be differences between
    > the corrupt versions and the uncorrupted versions.
    >
    > Kenneth Gauck
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Lee Hanna" <LeeHa1854@AOL.COM>
    Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:22 PM


    > While I don`t think a PrC is needed, a warrior society that requires a
    > bite from the chief as an entry requirement is pretty cool.

    The only reason I`d PrC it, is because a lycanthrope has bonus powers and
    goodies that make his effective level +1 or +2. Making bloodpowers that
    mimiced the lycanthrope template is another way to go

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    Kenneth:
    > The only reason I`d PrC it, is because a lycanthrope has
    > bonus powers and goodies that make his effective level +1 or
    > +2. Making bloodpowers that mimiced the lycanthrope template
    > is another way to go

    Also there are other prestige classes that basically apply a template to
    the character at tenth level. I thought we`d have some kind of
    "precedent" or something.

    Whether or not we need a precedent at all is another question entirely.

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