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    Orginally posted by Ariadne

    Orginally posted by Lord Eldred

    Why are you limiting it to clerics?
    Because I though of "real" (true) wizards, not magicians, but you are right, the should also create magical items, if they can...
    Which brings up the question, can they?
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    Orginally posted by Lord Eldred

    Which brings up the question, can they?
    I think so. Naturally only divination and illusion things...
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    They should not be able to create items. They had no access to either enchant item nor permanency in 2nd ed. I don't think they should be allowed to have access to item creation feats in 2nd ed. Moreover, magicians are relatively common and that means, that crystall balls would become relativel common as well, should they be allowed to create magical items. (I stress the word relatively)

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    It seems that every low level magic user has a crystal ball or some hokey magic item such as that...

    However, I agree that they shouldn't be allowed to create magic items. I am also of the position that non-blooded clerics can not create said items either.
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    Orginally posted by Lord Eldred

    It seems that every low level magic user has a crystal ball or some hokey magic item such as that...

    However, I agree that they shouldn't be allowed to create magic items. I am also of the position that non-blooded clerics can not create said items either.
    Non-blooeded wizards don't create magical items? O.K. agreed. But why non-blooded clerics should not? It's the power of the gods, they execute...
    May Khirdai always bless your sword and his lightning struck your enemies!

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    Orginally posted by Ariadne

    Orginally posted by Lord Eldred

    It seems that every low level magic user has a crystal ball or some hokey magic item such as that...

    However, I agree that they shouldn't be allowed to create magic items. I am also of the position that non-blooded clerics can not create said items either.
    Non-blooeded wizards don't create magical items? O.K. agreed. But why non-blooded clerics should not? It's the power of the gods, they execute...
    My argument would be that only the blooded are blessed with enough power from the gods to create such items.
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    Orginally posted by Lord Eldred

    My argument would be that only the blooded are blessed with enough power from the gods to create such items.
    Why should unblooded clerics not create magical items! You mean, they aren't bleesed as much as blooded by the gods? Hey, this would mean something like 2nd class clerics!
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    On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Ariadne wrote:

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    Orginally posted by Lord Eldred
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    > > My argument would be that only the blooded are blessed with enough
    > > power from the gods to create such items.
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    > Why should unblooded clerics not create magical items! You mean, they
    > aren`t bleesed as much as blooded by the gods? Hey, this would mean
    > something like 2nd class clerics!

    Precisely. Not having bloodlines, they manifestly aren`t as much blessed
    by the gods. IMC, I split priests into two groups based on presence or
    absence of bloodline, just as arcane casters are split into blooded
    wizards and nonblooded (and therefore less powerful and less flexible)
    magicians. Just as with wizards vs. magicians, IMC priests without
    bloodlines are more restricted in spell and feat selection, and even
    spells they are allowed to cast are less effective than when used by
    blooded priests. I think they definitely ought to be "second-class"
    clerics. It just makes much more sense to me to do it this way.


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    At 11:17 AM 8/29/2002 -0400, Ariadne wrote:

    >Just as with wizards vs. magicians, IMC priests without bloodlines are
    >more restricted in spell and feat selection, and even spells they are
    >allowed to cast are less effective than when used by blooded priests.

    What kinds of spell and feat restrictions do you give clerics?

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