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07-26-2002, 01:22 PM #21
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Orginally posted by Lord Eldred
I think the case for Emerald is that her country is being overtaking by Orogs. The dwarves are losing. Moradin feels bad. Sends them Emerald who has made friends with humans who are committed to Haelyn. Moradin goes to Haelyn and says how about we get our dwarves and humans together to defeat the Orogs and both nations will prosper. Haelyn asks what is in it for him and Moradin offers to share the priestess Emerald and allow the teachings of Haelyn in his country if the teachings of Moradin are allowed in Haelyn's. It is a situation that both benefit from...
Secondly, if Haelyn had acted in such manner, I fail to see how Moradi would not have been actually offended. There he is a god of law and Justice askign for help from another god of Law and Justice and Haelyn asks for a reward? Pretty unselfless (...or whatever the word is) and if I were Moradin, I would have started to question the motivations of this human god that wants a payment for protecting the innocents against the green menace.
Thirdly, I really cannot imagine how the humans would begin to value the virtues of polishing stones or the joy of working in a mine or the fullfilment of getting boiled in a furnace making metal trinkets just for the sake of it. Cos that is what Moradin wants his followers and moreover his priests to do. He wants them to work in a mine. One of their daily activities would be to work in a mine, polish a stone, and do stuff like that.
Likewise, I fail to see how the dwarves would appreciate knowing the nomenclature of the humans, etiquette towards all the hierarchy of the Empire of Roele, or how to ride a horse or even how to be a paladin.
The fact that they are both gods of good and law, does not mean that their followers can swap. It is not an accident that they are both patrons of a specific race. What Moradin says would sound chinese to any human and what haelyn says would sound chinese to any dwarf. In my opinion, you would not even be able to introduce nonhuman deities to human lands, let alone have a priest of Moradin become a priest of Haelyn as well.
Otherwise, perhaps you should allow a temple of Kartathok make a move and start to gather followers in your UpH... Would a human follow kartathok? I do not want to believe that he would...
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07-26-2002, 01:28 PM #22
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*I ask me, how Emerald does it. Has she two shrines standing together? *
As a matter of fact, she has a couple temple to each god in Baruk Azhik. So in a way, the answer to your question is yes
*In my oppinion she can't pray to one god and don't anger the other.*
If they made an agreement, then this becomes an irrelevant point.
*I think there is a difference between an allience between two gods and the facts, that a priest serves a god. emerald could teach haelyns dogma in the dwarven lands - but she would still pray to Moradin.*
Tell me, what is the difference between teaching Haelyns dogma and serving? Isn't the most basic function of a priest teaching people about a god? This is part of serving that god. Isn't the point to spread the word and attempt to get people to follow/believe in a particular god? How does one accomplish this task? One accomplishes this by teachin which is a VERY big part of serving that god.
If Moradin is the father of the dwarves, wouldn't it stand to reason that he is dedicated to protecting his children at any cost from annihilation? Who would serve him if all the dwarves died a the hands of the Orogs? Not the Orogs!
You both speak of jealousy and anger between the 2 gods. Why would all the jealousy and anger occur if they each had something to gain? We're not talking about a standard run of the mill priest teaching the word of thier god as they pass travellers or preach at the local shrine. We are talking about the Queen of the dwarves who is well travelled and has powerful friends. That gives each god leverage in all kinds areas that would otherwise be completely inaccessible to them.
As far as praying, no coin is flipped. I pray to each god and ask them for forgiveness and to allow me to continue to serve them as an agent of thier divine greatness. Of course the first prayer is to Moradin immediatly followed by a prayer to Haelyn.
Not mention, as a Warpreist, she is very effective in fighting the enemies of each god (which happen to be pretty similiar) so there is another bonus for them to share.
Sorry, I don't see an issue here.Queen Emerald Greybeard of Baruk Azhik
You wouldn't want to offend a dwarf that hits very hard, would you?
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07-26-2002, 01:31 PM #23
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07-26-2002, 01:40 PM #24
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Orginally posted by A_dark
Thirdly, I really cannot imagine how the humans would begin to value the virtues of polishing stones or the joy of working in a mine or the fullfilment of getting boiled in a furnace making metal trinkets just for the sake of it. Cos that is what Moradin wants his followers and moreover his priests to do. He wants them to work in a mine. One of their daily activities would be to work in a mine, polish a stone, and do stuff like that.
Where the heck did you dig that up from? I cannot find a single reference to Moradin that supports that claim.Queen Emerald Greybeard of Baruk Azhik
You wouldn't want to offend a dwarf that hits very hard, would you?
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07-26-2002, 07:09 PM #25
I see no reason Emerald could not pray to/serve both.
But are we talking about roleplaying, or game mechanics?
As far as roleplaying (the only thing that matters IMO) Emerald has her reasons for feel justified in praying to both. If both Gods favor her it is because THEY chose to. Why they chose to doesn't matter, I'm sure they worked it out on their Godly Domain Turn. If it adds flavor and benefits the game without overbalancing, then I'd allow it...
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07-26-2002, 11:39 PM #26
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Moradin is the patron of the Gods. I think one of his nicknames is the Forger.... He created the dwarves in his forge.... If the dwarves are happy when the dig stuff and live underground and build mines, it is because of their religion mainly. Does nto religion affect the follower's way of life? It does. Introducing Moradin to humans and Haelyn to dwarves should be as hard as introducing Kartathok to humans and Maglubiyet to dwarves.
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07-28-2002, 01:27 PM #27
Oh yes, so you pray the double time of normal? (max. of 16 hours [2nd Edition] or 2 hours [3rd edition]) Or how does you manage this?
May Khirdai always bless your sword and his lightning struck your enemies!
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07-28-2002, 10:15 PM #28
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I still think serving two gods violates the principle D&D game mechanics.
Tell me, what is the difference between teaching Haelyns dogma and serving? Isn't the most basic function of a priest teaching people about a god? This is part of serving that god. Isn't the point to spread the word and attempt to get people to follow/believe in a particular god? How does one accomplish this task? One accomplishes this by teachin which is a VERY big part of serving that god.
clerics devote themselves to a cause, concept and a devine force !!!
You both speak of jealousy and anger between the 2 gods. Why would all the jealousy and anger occur if they each had something to gain? ...my purpose is now to lead you into the Pallace where you shall have a clear and delightful view of all those various objects, and scattered excellencies, that lye up and down upon the face of creation, which are only seen by those that go down into the Seas, and by no other....
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07-28-2002, 10:22 PM #29
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Again, that all depends on the DM and how he chooses to handle the rules governing his world.
otherwise we would have axt-swinging magic users with free weapon specialisations or green elephants with sorcerer power.
nothing against house-rules if they make sense or if they are a nice addition to the game.
If I would be moradin and you are praying to other gods i would strip the hell out of you...my purpose is now to lead you into the Pallace where you shall have a clear and delightful view of all those various objects, and scattered excellencies, that lye up and down upon the face of creation, which are only seen by those that go down into the Seas, and by no other....
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07-29-2002, 09:12 AM #30May Khirdai always bless your sword and his lightning struck your enemies!
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