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    Orginally posted by Magian
    If elves where to flee who says they would need boats or a navy anyway?
    Of course the elves could just grow wings and fly away ;) .

    Orginally posted by Magian
    Been thinking perhaps that would explain the Tuarannwn realm in Vosgaard. The ghosts are just the fact that the land misses the elves.
    Have you read Blood Spawn or Tribes of the Heartless Waste?
    Tuar Annwn is explained in THW as having been relocated to the Shadow World, which is bad for the elves since there are many monsters that prefer them as lunch, like the Cwn Annwn in BS.

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    Yeah I have read all the products printed for Birthright even the comic book but that doesn't mean I have to take that as cannon for my campaign.

    Simply put I don't really like the idea of elves in the shadow world and such. Of course I have my reasons just like the writers had their reasons for writing such things.
    One law, One court, One allied people, One coin, and one tax, is what I shall bring to Cerilia.

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    Orginally posted by geeman

    At 05:10 AM 7/22/2002 +0200, Bearcat wrote:

    Where in the Tuarhieval sourcebook? It says that elves sprang "from the
    union of earth, water, fire, and air" at some "Unknown" time, and that
    there are "a dozen different elven creation myths" and it describes the
    history of Cerilian elves, but where does it indicate that they originated
    in Cerilia? (I could have missed it.)
    I don't have it with me, but a pond or lake located in Tuarhievel is said to be the point of origin of the elves if I am not mistaken.

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    At 11:28 PM 7/24/2002 +0200, Bearcat wrote:

    >I don`t have it with me, but a pond or lake located in Tuarhievel is said
    >to be the point of origin of the elves if I am not mistaken.

    Ah, OK. I found it. Thanks.

    The lake is Dhoenaghmiere, and "one legend holds that this is the site from
    where the elven race sprang, a place where earth, water, air, and fire all
    converged, sundering the hill when the elves sprang from the elements" p7.

    I don`t know that I`d take that reference as proof that elves are native to
    Cerilia, though. The same text says that there are "At least a dozen
    different elven creation myths" p4. Aside from the text being one of
    dozen(s) extant, elves were created 18,000+ years before the present era of
    the BR setting, even a long time ago for the immortal elves. Even if elves
    did spring into existence at Lake D, that doesn`t mean the act of creating
    elves only occurred at that one spot. Different races of elves could have
    been created simultaneously on other continents.

    Gary

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    Bearcat:
    > I don`t have it with me, but a pond or lake located in
    > Tuarhievel is said to be the point of origin of the elves if
    > I am not mistaken.

    I suspect that the major proponents of that theory are the sidhelien of
    Tuarhievel.

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    > Bearcat wrote:
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    > I don`t have it with me, but a pond or lake located in Tuarhievel is
    > said to be the point of origin of the elves if I am not mistaken.

    I always take this kind of thing with hunk of salt. I would imagine that
    there might well be a dozen places where the local elves claim all elvenkind
    originated. When it says in the Coullabhie, Rhuannach, and Tuar Annwn
    sourcebooks, then you know where elves originated.

    I think the PS`s are loaded with boosterism.

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