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    Hello!
    To Thaele? Where the Rjurik have already created some settlements?
    No, I don´t think the majority has fled Cerilia - the Trautha (the
    sidhelien of what is now Talinie) have been oblireated by the Anuireans
    as the PS of Talinie says. I also don´t think that they would leave
    their beloved forest before massive losses and not to Thale (which I see
    much as Grönland (Greenland)?) .
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    >>The question arises though, of how well Cerilian elves fit
    >>into the other campaigns?
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    >My idea is that majority of Elves fled to Thaele.
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    Orginally posted by Lord Eldred

    If you look at humans on earth you will find a great variety of looks, why couldn't elves and other races have different looks depending on where they originated from...thus you would have the Cerilian elves and you could have Drow on another continent.

    The same goes for the other races!
    Yes there is certainly a great variety in appearence an culture among human populations on earth, but on a species level we are all the same; variations on the same theme.

    The same should hold true for any variant elf or dwarf cultures. The majority of differention should arise as cultural variation. Physiological variation should be relatively minor. All I'm saying is that if a dwarf is placed somewhere else on the planet, it should should somehow be related to Cerilian Dwarves. Otherwise it is just another short biped.

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    Orginally posted by geeman

    That doesn`t mean there need be orcs anywhere on Aebrynis, but it
    does make for a better justification for that race`s inclusion than, say,
    kobolds.
    Except that the books make it clear that orcs don't exist in cerilia, and I believe that kobolds are included in monster list in the rulebook.



    Are you basing this on some reference from the published materials? Most
    of the text regarding elves seems to take pains to describe them as
    "Cerilian elves" or Sidhelien, differentiating them from any standard D&D
    elf but also any other possible elven races on Aebrynis who may have a
    totally different attitude/culture.

    PH: Tuarhievel, although it may just be legend and rumor at the DM's discretion of course. But if elves were not native to cerilia where would they come from?

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    At 05:10 AM 7/22/2002 +0200, Bearcat wrote:

    >>That doesn`t mean there need be orcs anywhere on Aebrynis, but it does
    >>make for a better justification for that race`s inclusion than, say, kobolds.
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    >Except that the books make it clear that orcs don`t exist in cerilia, and
    >I believe that kobolds are included in monster list in the rulebook.

    I`m talking about other races on Aebrynis not Cerilia alone. Orcs don`t
    exist on Cerilia, but could exist elsewhere on the planet. Kobolds are
    mentioned on the list of monsters that might be encountered in
    Cerilia--though they don`t appear anywhere else that I`ve seen and
    certainly don`t exist in the numbers that orogs do, but my point is that
    since orogs were considered a subrace of orcs when BR was written there`s
    more of a connection to including them in a list of non-Cerilian races than
    kobolds (who only appear in that list of "maybes.")

    >>Are you basing this on some reference from the published materials?
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    >PH: Tuarhievel, although it may just be legend and rumor at the DM`s
    >discretion of course. But if elves were not native to cerilia where would
    >they come from?

    Where in the Tuarhieval sourcebook? It says that elves sprang "from the
    union of earth, water, fire, and air" at some "Unknown" time, and that
    there are "a dozen different elven creation myths" and it describes the
    history of Cerilian elves, but where does it indicate that they originated
    in Cerilia? (I could have missed it.)

    Gary

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    @ Lord Grave: IMO the Sidhelien would rather die than flee to Thaele, as they are described as the children of Cerilia (more or less). Besides, the Sidhelien are not a seafaring race. I can´t remember having seen an elven navy anywhere :) .
    Thaele could be a refuge for some giants or cold-loving dragons.
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    Orginally posted by Lord Eldred

    Are you suggesting then that in the settings that he brings in as new continents he should eliminate orcs?

    No, but I would change orcs simply into orogs (I don't know what they get as ability modifiers, but these can't be so far away from orcs). Use the other campaigns, but discribe orcs as orogs (it is Birthright and you have few work with it, I think)!
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    Orginally posted by Bearcat

    Orginally posted by Lord Eldred

    If you look at humans on earth you will find a great variety of looks, why couldn't elves and other races have different looks depending on where they originated from...thus you would have the Cerilian elves and you could have Drow on another continent.

    The same goes for the other races!
    Yes there is certainly a great variety in appearence an culture among human populations on earth, but on a species level we are all the same; variations on the same theme.

    The same should hold true for any variant elf or dwarf cultures. The majority of differention should arise as cultural variation. Physiological variation should be relatively minor. All I'm saying is that if a dwarf is placed somewhere else on the planet, it should should somehow be related to Cerilian Dwarves. Otherwise it is just another short biped.
    I am not sure that there are major differences between the races of Birthright and that of others that are physiological differences. There are minor physiological differences.
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    I think it makes no sense to discuss about orcs. there are no orcs on the known continents and they do not fit in the Birthright flair. on new continents there could be everything ...

    one took also into account that the goblins are different than in other campaign worlds. they are much stronger and the race contains bugbears and hobgoblins.
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    If I was to introduce a new setting into Aebyrnis alongside Cerilia and Anduria and use the idea that the elves have fled Cerilia I would go along with a more Evermeet-like idea than having them move to a savage north-like area of that of Thaele. The idea has been in my mind for this though. If elves where to flee who says they would need boats or a navy anyway?

    As for the orcs debate if I was to substitute the orogs race for the orcs race in the settings mentioned in the initial post there would be a great difference in ecology since orcs are not subterrainean in these settings. This could have drastic effects on the settings. Keep in mind these settings are not Cerilia so we don't have to make them like Cerilia so there can be many differences. Just like the difference of the european dragon from the chinese dragon. One is evil and the other is beneficial.

    The two problems I have come up with so far are the elves and orcs of these lands if brought into the world of Aebrynis. Orcs I think I can link into the setting as a weaker and more human-like in behavior cousin to the orogs. The elves, especially in the Zakaharan setting would be most difficult since they intermingle with humans and call no place their own exclusively.

    Right now I am thinking that maybe just eliminating the elves from the setting completly except for perhaps bringing them into an Evermeet sort of Isle realm. Been thinking perhaps that would explain the Tuarannwn realm in Vosgaard. The ghosts are just the fact that the land misses the elves.

    As for the orcs I am not yet sure if what I want to bring in actually has orcs as part of its setting but the open debate is helping.
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    On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG wrote:
    > As for the orcs I am not yet sure if what I want to bring in actually
    > has orcs as part of its setting but the open debate is helping.

    I use orcs in my campaign, but I`m sneaky about it. I changed their
    appearance a bit, gave them some cloven hoof feet like the Gorgon, and
    their backstory is that they are men corrupted by Raesene via dark
    magicks and intermingling with orogs. Freaked out my players, too.

    P "Is it a goblin?"
    DM "No, you`ve seen goblins."
    P "Is it an orog?"
    DM "Smaller than an orog."
    P "Is it an orc?"
    P2 "There`s no orcs in birthright!"

    Heh. It`s good to be evil.
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