Rhoubhe Manslayer writeup comments

[Onwen Agelmore]

This Rhoubhe can kill any dragon. Tarrasque isn´t a challenge for him...
IMHO doesn´t need more than 20 lvl´s...
A player that reach 20 lvl is a walking god. And a 20 lvl party can´t kill this Rhoubhe.
I think the BR players should forgot epic level, or go play forgooten realms.

[Onwen Agelmore]

Rhuobhe Manslayer lives on forgooten or cerilia?
Too many magical itens?

[Ellendael Nightstalker]

Seeing as how Roubhe's writeup can't cast Wish or Miracle, I think the Tarrasque would give him a bit of a challenge.

Admittedly, this writeup has an impressive list of magic items... although not egregious considering Roubhe's challenge rating. I believe that a better writeup of Roubhe would include his magic items from Blood Enemies with some 3e changes (such as Human Bane on his bow and/or sword), etc.

I strongly believe that a 20th level party would easily kill this writeup of Roubhe... mostly because they outnumber him!

I recently wrapped up playing in a campaign where my 4-person party reached 17th level. We wiped the floor with CR 20 creatures, mostly due to good tactics and teamwork. Still, my point is, Roubhe should be nasty, there's no doubt about it. This isn't the version of Roubhe I would make, but it's not a bad version all told.

[geeman]

At 03:07 PM 9/3/2002 -0500, Eosin the Red wrote:

>And this is a bad thing how?
>
>If the PC are smart enough to outwit him (should be very hard) they deserve
>a shot at killing him.

It`s not a bad thing, per se. The point was that a lower level (22nd)
version of Rhoubhe might get whacked by a relatively lower party of PCs, so
if one didn`t want that to happen then a higher level version of him might
be better. I personally prefer a higher level version not only to keep him
from getting killed by a relatively low level party (in comparison) but
also just because he`s been active for so long it`s hard to imagine him not
levelling up quite a bit. YMMV.

Gary

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Gary <geeman@SOFTHOME.NET> wrote at 02-09-03 15.24:

> IIRC, in that particular example it was four 4th or 5th level PCs and a 4th
> level NPC.

Four 5th level characters = EL 9, not 12. You get a +2 EL each time you
DOUBLE the number of critters in an encounter.

1 => EL = CL
2 => EL= CL +2
4 => EL = CL +4
8 => EL = CL +6

And so on

/Carl

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[Raesene Andu]

Personally, I would keep Rhuobhe as a level 16 fighter/15 wizard, no matter what the conversion manual says. 2000 years of fighting humans means he should be a bit more than a challenge. He is one of the major Awnsheghlien, and a few mere mortals (even 20th level mortals) shouldn't give him much of a challenge. Of course, if you intend on running a Birthright campaign through until your players reach 20th level, then they are going to need some powerful enemies. The more ancient awnshegh, the Gorgon, Rhuobhe, the Raven, etc provide a suitable challenge.

Also, one other thing to note. When everyone was doing their hp calculations, I think they all forgot one thing... Rhuobhe is a regent after all, so +10 hp for him. (pg. 32 of the Birthright rulebook).

[geeman]

At 03:55 PM 9/7/2002 +0200, Raesene Andu wrote:

>I think they all forgot one thing... Rhuobhe is a regent after all, so +10
>hp for him. (pg. 32 of the Birthright rulebook).

I`ve always ignored that rule, personally. I don`t know what would make a
regent harder to kill than another character, and the benefits of having a
domain are themselves probably more than enough to compensate.

Gary

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[Raesene Andu]

Orginally posted by geeman
I`ve always ignored that rule, personally. I don`t know what would make a
regent harder to kill than another character, and the benefits of having a
domain are themselves probably more than enough to compensate.

My players would be most upset if I tried to remove that rule. (Although they are all regents).

The land obviously looks after those that care about it., these bonus hp are a reflection of this (and when you get down to it, 10 extra hp don't make a lot of difference, except to lower level characters).

[Cobos]

Raesene Andu wrote:
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> Raesene Andu wrote:
>

Orginally posted by geeman
> I`ve always ignored that rule, personally. I don`t know what would make a
> regent harder to kill than another character, and the benefits of having a
> domain are themselves probably more than enough to compensate.
>

>
> My players would be most upset if I tried to remove that rule. (Although they are all regents).
>
> The land obviously looks after those that care about it., these bonus hp are a reflection of this (and when you get down to it, 10 extra hp don`t make a lot of difference, except to lower level characters).
>
I agree in many ways this rule is a nice way of giving 1st lvl
characters a small buffer
against a very unfortunate and unheroic death...In many ways I think it
is good substite to
starting characters with a few levels. The party survives the encounter
with the lone
huge goblin :)

Cobos

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[Peter Lubke]

On Sun, 2002-09-08 at 11:00, Sindre Cools Berg wrote:

Raesene Andu wrote:
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> Raesene Andu wrote:
>

Orginally posted by geeman
> I`ve always ignored that rule, personally. I don`t know what would make a
> regent harder to kill than another character, and the benefits of having a
> domain are themselves probably more than enough to compensate.
>

>
> My players would be most upset if I tried to remove that rule. (Although they are all regents).
>
> The land obviously looks after those that care about it., these bonus hp are a reflection of this (and when you get down to it, 10 extra hp don`t make a lot of difference, except to lower level characters).
>
I agree in many ways this rule is a nice way of giving 1st lvl
characters a small buffer
against a very unfortunate and unheroic death

unheroic -- of course they deserve an unheroic death, while most players
would like to think that every character deserves to make it to the next
level the reality is that they don`t. You have to be lucky as well as
smart. While many player characters die because their players were
less-than-brilliant-but-not-completely-stupid even almost perfect play
can fail. About one in ten 1st level characters should make it to fourth
level. Players whose characters make it through because the DM was kind,
(oh how politically correct and can I have a 2,000,000 level warrior
please?) or because they were "the right stuff" are putting the cart
before the horse - be heroic first then claim that was why you made it
through. ---- oh, I forgot this is 3e, we don`t role play anymore, we
just roll play and fudge the results, that`s how it`s done now. Heroes
are no longer a dying breed - they no longer exist (because all
characters are heroes now - right?).

...In many ways I think it
is good substite to
starting characters with a few levels. The party survives the encounter
with the lone
huge goblin :)

Cobos

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