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    I just read the Iron Throne and there is mention of how Duchess of
    Coeranys gained aid of the Landrunners to defeat the Emperor`s army.

    Considering that those horsemen are not regular citizens of Coeranys,
    wouldn`t it be logicaly for Coeranys to gain several units of Anuirean
    Light Cavalry in case of attack. Of course, those units would be
    available only for defense.

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    At 10:08 PM 5/27/2002 +0200, Milos Rasic wrote:

    >I just read the Iron Throne and there is mention of how Duchess of
    >Coeranys gained aid of the Landrunners to defeat the Emperor`s army.
    >
    >Considering that those horsemen are not regular citizens of Coeranys,
    >wouldn`t it be logicaly for Coeranys to gain several units of Anuirean
    >Light Cavalry in case of attack. Of course, those units would be available
    >only for defense.

    So maybe the regent of Coeranys should be able to raise such units as
    levies? That seems to be the "standard" way of handling this kind of
    thing. Other realms can muster/maintain particular types of units at a
    discount, but it seems to me that`s generally reserved for racially based
    units.

    Gary

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    Ultimatly this kind of thing needs to be extra-mechanical. Gary`s idea
    about pricing Landrunners as levies makes sense, under certain conditions.
    The Landrunners are an organization (probabaly with a prestige class) with
    its own agenda. When Coeranys is in line with that agenda, they might have
    access to the Landrunners.

    They are almost certainly available for the defence of the realm. What
    about an invasion of the Chimaeron? What about an invasion of Elinie?

    This kind of subsidized unit reflects that a pseudo-realm (in this case the
    Landrunners) has allied with the realm in question.

    Of course another interpretation is that these kinds of organizations exist
    all over, and its one of the reasons that muster costs are as cheap as they
    are. The local military order is responding to the ruler`s call for troops.
    This would be the easiest explantion.

    Kenneth Gauck
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    At 12:11 PM 5/29/2002 -0500, Kenneth Gauck wrote:

    >Ultimatly this kind of thing needs to be extra-mechanical.

    I don`t actually think the special troop mustering issues need necessarily
    be extra-mechanical. Some sort of "Civil Defense" domain action could
    allow for mustering better levies and/or being able to muster particular
    types of troops more cheaply than normal, or muster more effective units
    than the typical ones. Such a domain action might require a RP/GB
    maintenance cost or some sort of continued effort on the part of the regent
    to keep it up, but it could be done using a game mechanic pretty easily.

    Gary

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    A Civil Defense domain action just routinizes something that at one time
    seemed special and full of local particularism.

    Kenneth Gauck
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    At 04:39 PM 5/29/2002 -0500, Kenneth Gauck wrote:

    >A Civil Defense domain action just routinizes something that at one time
    >seemed special and full of local particularism.

    I should imagine that would depend on how it was handled.

    Gary

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    > So maybe the regent of Coeranys should be able to raise such
    > units as levies? That seems to be the "standard" way of
    > handling this kind of thing. Other realms can
    > muster/maintain particular types of units at a discount, but
    > it seems to me that`s generally reserved for racially based units.
    >

    I don`t think so. Landrunners are free people. They don`t owe loyalty to
    the regent, but they would gladly offer their aid in case of foreign
    attack. I think there are precendants for this kind of thing, but I
    can`t remember where.

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    On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 08:51, Milos Rasic wrote:

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    > So maybe the regent of Coeranys should be able to raise such
    > units as levies? That seems to be the "standard" way of
    > handling this kind of thing. Other realms can
    > muster/maintain particular types of units at a discount, but
    > it seems to me that`s generally reserved for racially based units.
    >

    I don`t think so. Landrunners are free people. They don`t owe loyalty to
    the regent, but they would gladly offer their aid in case of foreign
    attack. I think there are precendants for this kind of thing, but I
    can`t remember where.

    ? Dwarves in Dauren perhaps


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    At 12:51 AM 5/30/2002 +0200, Milos wrote:

    > > So maybe the regent of Coeranys should be able to raise such
    > > units as levies? That seems to be the "standard" way of
    > > handling this kind of thing. Other realms can
    > > muster/maintain particular types of units at a discount, but
    > > it seems to me that`s generally reserved for racially based units.
    >
    >I don`t think so. Landrunners are free people. They don`t owe loyalty to
    >the regent, but they would gladly offer their aid in case of foreign
    >attack. I think there are precendants for this kind of thing, but I
    >can`t remember where.

    Unless it`s part of an existing special function of a realm in the
    published materials, I`m loathe to give freebies away to potential PC realms.

    A while ago I came up "Home Defense" units that basically had no
    maintenance costs. The regent could muster them at a slightly higher cost
    than typical units and they basically stayed in the province they were
    mustered in until it was invaded at which point they became active, and the
    regent had to pay their maintenance costs. Once defeated or victorious
    they go back to "sleep" and the regent doesn`t pay their maintenance costs
    again until their are reactivated by invasion. I suppose one could extend
    the function of such units to activate whenever the realm was invaded
    rather than just a province. In fact, that probably would make more
    sense.... That way a regent could move them around in his realm.

    Gary

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    Gary sez:
    > I don`t actually think the special troop mustering issues
    > need necessarily be extra-mechanical. Some sort of "Civil
    > Defense" domain action could allow for mustering better
    > levies and/or being able to muster particular types of troops
    > more cheaply than normal, or muster more effective units than
    > the typical ones. Such a domain action might require a RP/GB
    > maintenance cost or some sort of continued effort on the part
    > of the regent to keep it up, but it could be done using a
    > game mechanic pretty easily.

    I don`t worry about generic rules, I just get specific with a given
    realm. I generally give a price based off the kind of unit the regent
    wants the militia to be equipped as and then say that "x" number of
    actual military units must spend "y" months training the militias in
    different provinces.

    In places that could conceivably have a citizen soldier ethic there may
    not even be an extra cost associated with raising "improved" levies,
    like in Rjurik where most people are are armed anyway.

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