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05-08-2011, 08:06 AM #11
mmm, old threads
If the Gorgon ascends further he runs into Belinik, etc - with the existing gods holding all the current power which is near certain destruction for him if he ascends without either destroying their power-base of faith, building his own, or both. He could simply be stuck -unable to go up, and unwilling to 'accept his mortality' and give up his pretensions on godhood.
One possibility re: 100+ bloodlines is that once bloodline goes over a certain level you could get a paradigm shift where the 'benefits' that accrue from increases are in terms that probably don't make much sense to mortals. These benefits could instead affect the Gorgon's battles with the demons of the Shadow World, the Lost and the Gods - who are likely bigger foes to him than the petty dukes, counts, etc that remain of the empire.
Originally Posted by Magian
Originally Posted by Magian
I'd figured that he should run the realm through a series of lieutenants and simply cream off most of the RP leaving them to do all the actual work (allowing people to fight 'his realm' without fighting 'him' and creating intrigue). I'd then have him noted as spending much of his time as 'a statue' with his court run by another lieutenant (a Dosiere of course!) and make the Gorgon the source of the spells used by the HoA and aiming to ascend to godhood leaving mortal concerns to his lieutenants unless their failures dragged his gaze back to Cerilia - the ascension process allowing me to bring in some rules-changes as 'the new god' started to influence the world about him.
I had planned to have his looeys try to 'prove themselves' to him by dominating more land, etc which would then give me the backing campaign arc and let me create the chaos needed for an upstart PC realm to have a chance for greatness. The end result was planned to be either the crushing of his realm by simultaneous invasions from multiple nations, or the ascent to godhood of the Gorgon and perhaps one or two PC's who would have to steal access to his vast reservoir of stolen bloodline and faith while he was ascending to ensure that he could be opposed as a deity (in the campaign I had planned there were no gods so his ascension would have been a big problem if no-one followed him!)
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05-31-2011, 11:35 PM #12
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This is exactly why I long ago adopted Gary's option two,
Otherwise I simply could not explain why the Gorgon had to bother to harvest anyone outside his own basement. Even Gary's mechanic of needing a high bloodline doesn't fix it: the Gorgon breeding with any random commoner yields offspring with bloodlines higher than Avan's and Boeruine's put together, so there must be a game metaphysics reason why killing them by the boatload just doesn't help.
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06-01-2011, 07:52 AM #13
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At 04:35 PM 5/31/2011, ryancaveney wrote:
>Otherwise I simply could not explain why the Gorgon had to bother to
>harvest anyone outside his own basement. Even Gary`s mechanic of
>needing a high bloodline doesn`t fix it: the Gorgon plus any random
>commoner equals someone with a bloodline higher than Avan`s and
>Boeruine`s put together, so there must be a game metaphysics reason
>why killing them by the boatload just doesn`t help.
Actually, if using New Scions, the Gorgon wouldn`t gain any
improvement to his bloodline from an act of bloodtheft against one of
his own offspringe with and commoner. To shamelessly plug and quote myself:
"When bloodtheft occurs it may increase the bloodline score of the
scion who committed the act depending upon the bloodline score of the
slayer and his victim. If the bloodline score of the victim is less
than or equal to the bloodline score of the slayer use the respective
bloodline scores as modifiers on an opposed roll. If the result of
the victim`s roll is higher than the slayer`s roll then the slayer`s
bloodline score increases by at least 1 point.
If the bloodline score of the victim is greater than that of the
slayer then the slayer`s bloodline score automatically increases by
+1. Subtract the slayer`s new bloodline score from that of the
victim. If the remainder is still greater than that of the slayer
then increase the slayer`s new bloodline score by another +1 and
subtract this new, increased score from the remainder of the victim`s
bloodline score. If this second remainder is still greater than that
of the slayer`s new bloodline score continue the process until the
remainder is less than or equal to the slayer`s bloodline score. Any
remainder then becomes a modifier in an opposed roll just as if the
bloodline score of the victim were lower than that of the slayer per
the rules above."
Its a little unwieldy, but it does deal with the issue, and make that
bloodtheft system in general a little more sensible....
Gary
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06-01-2011, 07:52 AM #14
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I forgot to mention, however: The Gorgon does have access to
tighmaevril weapons.... In my New Scions system that doubles the
victim`s bloodline score for the purpose of bloodtheft, so it`s a
good 50/50 that the Gorgon would gain a point of bloodline were he to
kill his own offspring with a commoner.... Were he to get hold of a
minor noble and do the same thing then he`d have a good shot at a
point or two using one of those weapons.
Maybe I should consider changing that. I didn`t really have the
Gorgon in mind when I wrote that section, and I`d hate to change it
for that one character, but maybe if the bloodline score of the
victim was +30 or so rather than doubled that would make better sense.
Gary
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06-01-2011, 09:52 AM #15
Are you forgetting? The Gorgon is a warrior monk. He'd never have pre-marital sex nor would he marry simply to produce offspring. He is a man of honor and a lover not a fighter. He'd instantly fall in love with each and every one of his kids and he could never do such a thing.
Although April 1st has long passed, this is my feeble attempt at celebrating that day.One law, One court, One allied people, One coin, and one tax, is what I shall bring to Cerilia.
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06-01-2011, 10:01 PM #16
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At 02:52 AM 6/1/2011, Magian wrote:
>Are you forgetting? The Gorgon is a warrior monk. He`d never have
>pre-marital sex nor would he marry simply to produce offspring. He
>is a man of honor and a lover not a fighter. He`d instantly fall in
>love with each and every one of his kids and he could never do such a thing.
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>Although April 1st has long passed, this is my feeble attempt at
>celebrating that day.
Heh. That cute, cuddly Raesene just can`t resist getting all lovey-dovey....
Though, it occurs to me that there is an argument to be made that the
Gorgon transformation may mean he can no longer
procreate.... Granted, in BR elves and humans can mate, and the
setting is part of a rules set that has things like half-orcs,
half-ogres and even half-dragons in 3e+, but at a certain point even
the mystical nature of D&D biology starts to make such combinations
more and more unlikely. Having transformed into a giant creature of
stone may mean that the Gorgon`s biology is sufficiently changed that
he can no longer mate with humans, or that offspring from such a
pairing is unlikely. He`s certainly not the most transformed of the
awnsheghlien, but he has changed quite a bit. The Kraken or the
Seadrake can no longer have children with humans, I would think. At
a certain point the awnsheghlien transformation must be too profound
to allow one to have human children.
On the other hand, maybe he could find a nice, galeb duhr to settle
down with and start murdering his children.
Gary
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06-01-2011, 11:20 PM #17
Speaking of his transformation. I came up with a tid bit scenario where the Minotaur and Gorgon were actually there at Deismaar together. The Minotaur was so close to Raesene as to be like his standard bearer or something. This to (1) use the bit in the Blood Enemies about them possibly knowing each other, (b) explain the sources under the Minotaur's control through Raesene's help, and (III) to explain why the Gorgon has the top half of a gorgon and bottom of a minotaur and the Minotaur has the top half of a minotaur and the bottom half of a gorgon.
One law, One court, One allied people, One coin, and one tax, is what I shall bring to Cerilia.
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06-03-2011, 09:22 PM #18
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