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    There are two ways to find a wife in medieval German heroic literature: Brautraub and Brautwerburg. Braut means bride; raub means to kidnap, rob, or steal; werben means to enlist, attract, recruit, or more precisely in this case, woo.

    Tristan has been sent to Ireland to recruit Isolde as Mark`s bride. Tristan is Mark`s nephew, and is a kind of PC lieutenant. It turns out that a dragon has taken up near Wexford, and Gurmun, king of Ireland, swore by his royal cloth to give his daughter to any who can make and end of it - so long as he is a knight and of noble birth. For our purposes, lets just say blooded. This kind of scenario is well suited for a BR setting. Especially where the PC`s don`t know precisely how to go about finding an NPC bride.

    Brautraub might work as well in a Rjurik or Vos setting.

    As an aside, knighthood is a particular office. Its a suitable threshold marker for fighters and paladins, denoting both some social standing and the fact that you have done something to get yourself knighted. Perhaps you have aquired certain feats, or performed some valued service. It seems there should be some similar marker for other classes. Fighters of high standing grant knighthood. Likewise clerics, wizards, and guilders should probabaly have some mark of status suggesting that they have done something to merit additional respect.

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    > As an aside, knighthood is a particular office. Its a
    > suitable threshold marker for fighters and paladins, denoting
    > both some social standing and the fact that you have done
    > something to get yourself knighted. Perhaps you have aquired
    > certain feats, or performed some valued service. It seems
    > there should be some similar marker for other classes.
    > Fighters of high standing grant knighthood. Likewise
    > clerics, wizards, and guilders should probabaly have some
    > mark of status suggesting that they have done something to
    > merit additional respect.

    I have always assumed that the position of court magus was not one of
    neccessity but one that could only be earned by a mage. Not every ruler
    would seek to have a mage controlling the magic of the land (despite the
    mechanical benefits), instead such a position could be the equal of
    `commander of the royal guard` or some such. Only magi of proven loyalty
    and ability would be appointed to such a position.

    I also like to assume that many Anuireans treat Royal College graduates
    like the wizardly equivalent of knights> Even if this is technically
    inaccurate, I assume that the non-magical inhabitants of Anuire like to
    see things in their own terms.

    As a bit of an attempt to return to the topic though, I have been trying
    to figure out how magi find suitable spouses. I am assuming that magic
    is a rare gift and that it has some tie to heredity. Therefore blooded
    magi might be prepared to into families that lack a bloodline, but that
    have a high propensity for the magical gift, especially if they are
    seeking to create a wizardly lineage (such as breeding a line of
    successors to the position of court-magus for instance). Wizards who
    seek political marriage, or merely to strengthen the bloodline might
    choose marriages in much the same way as non-magical scions.

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    John Machin
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    Athanasius Kircher, Ars Magna Sciendi.

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    > As an aside, knighthood is a particular office. Its a
    > suitable threshold marker for fighters and paladins, denoting
    > both some social standing and the fact that you have done
    > something to get yourself knighted. Perhaps you have aquired
    > certain feats, or performed some valued service. It seems
    > there should be some similar marker for other classes.
    > Fighters of high standing grant knighthood. Likewise
    > clerics, wizards, and guilders should probabaly have some
    > mark of status suggesting that they have done something to
    > merit additional respect.

    I have always assumed that the position of court magus was not one of
    neccessity but one that could only be earned by a mage. Not every ruler
    would seek to have a mage controlling the magic of the land (despite the
    mechanical benefits), instead such a position could be the equal of
    `commander of the royal guard` or some such. Only magi of proven loyalty
    and ability would be appointed to such a position.

    I also like to assume that many Anuireans treat Royal College graduates
    like the wizardly equivalent of knights> Even if this is technically
    inaccurate, I assume that the non-magical inhabitants of Anuire like to
    see things in their own terms.

    As a bit of an attempt to return to the topic though, I have been trying
    to figure out how magi find suitable spouses. I am assuming that magic
    is a rare gift and that it has some tie to heredity. Therefore blooded
    magi might be prepared to into families that lack a bloodline, but that
    have a high propensity for the magical gift, especially if they are
    seeking to create a wizardly lineage (such as breeding a line of
    successors to the position of court-magus for instance). Wizards who
    seek political marriage, or merely to strengthen the bloodline might
    choose marriages in much the same way as non-magical scions.

    --
    John Machin
    (trithemius@paradise.net.nz)
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    "Nothing is more beautiful than to know the All."
    Athanasius Kircher, Ars Magna Sciendi.

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    Hello!
    The Book of Magecraft describes how to become an Imperial Archmage...
    bye
    Michael
    ********

    Kenneth Gauck wrote:

    >There are two ways to find a wife in medieval German heroic literature: Brautraub and Brautwerburg. Braut means bride; raub means to kidnap, rob, or steal; werben means to enlist, attract, recruit, or more precisely in this case, woo.
    >
    >Tristan has been sent to Ireland to recruit Isolde as Mark`s bride. Tristan is Mark`s nephew, and is a kind of PC lieutenant. It turns out that a dragon has taken up near Wexford, and Gurmun, king of Ireland, swore by his royal cloth to give his daughter to any who can make and end of it - so long as he is a knight and of noble birth. For our purposes, lets just say blooded. This kind of scenario is well suited for a BR setting. Especially where the PC`s don`t know precisely how to go about finding an NPC bride.
    >
    >Brautraub might work as well in a Rjurik or Vos setting.
    >
    >As an aside, knighthood is a particular office. Its a suitable threshold marker for fighters and paladins, denoting both some social standing and the fact that you have done something to get yourself knighted. Perhaps you have aquired certain feats, or performed some valued service. It seems there should be some similar marker for other classes. Fighters of high standing grant knighthood. Likewise clerics, wizards, and guilders should probabaly have some mark of status suggesting that they have done something to merit additional respect.
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    >Kenneth Gauck
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    In a message dated 5/13/02 7:46:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kgauck@MCHSI.COM
    writes:

    << As an aside, knighthood is a particular office. Its a suitable threshold
    marker for fighters and paladins, denoting both some social standing and the
    fact that you have done something to get yourself knighted. Perhaps you have
    aquired certain feats, or performed some valued service. It seems there
    should be some similar marker for other classes. Fighters of high standing
    grant knighthood. Likewise clerics, wizards, and guilders should probabaly
    have some mark of status suggesting that they have done something to merit
    additional respect. >>

    I`m not sure the guilders would, or they could have many (Gah-- a
    Cerilian Rotary Club!). IMO, there should be a lot more organizations like
    orders of chivalry, elite priestly orders, etc.
    Could Law holders recognize Knighthood? Perhaps that would include the
    right to bear arms and armor openly in Anuire or Khinasi, etc. IIRC medieval
    and Renaissance societies only the nobles/knights could do that.


    Lee.

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    >
    > Hello!
    > The Book of Magecraft describes how to become an Imperial
    > Archmage... bye Michael
    > ********

    Where exactly?
    I am curious, since this is something else I seem to have missed in my
    reading of the book.

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    Hi John,
    sorry, can´t look up right now, the BoM is at work and I´ll be back at
    home with internet-access not before thursday.

    From memory it was somewhere in the description about the college of
    sorcery in Anuire.

    If noone else posts the page I´ll read it up and post it on thursday
    evening (CET).
    bye
    Michael
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    John Machin wrote:

    >>Hello!
    >>The Book of Magecraft describes how to become an Imperial
    >>Archmage... bye Michael
    >>********
    >>
    >
    >Where exactly?
    >I am curious, since this is something else I seem to have missed in my
    >reading of the book.
    >
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    << There are two ways to find a wife in medieval German heroic literature:
    Brautraub and Brautwerburg. Braut means bride; raub means to kidnap, rob,
    or steal; werben means to enlist, attract, recruit, or more precisely in
    this case, woo.
    >>

    You mean "BrautwerbuNg". And "raubEN" means to kidnap, rob, or steal, while
    a "Raub" is a kidnapping, robbery, or theft.

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "the Falcon" <M.M.Richert@ITS.TUDELFT.NL>
    Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 6:08 AM


    > You mean "BrautwerbuNg". And "raubEN" means to kidnap, rob, or steal,
    while
    > a "Raub" is a kidnapping, robbery, or theft.

    All true. "burg" was a typo, substituting a familiar set of letters. We
    don`t generally conjugate in English as much, so I didn`t bother explaining
    the grammer of rauben to English speakers, but used the root as it appeared
    in the word in question. Certainly its a cognate of the familar English
    "rob".

    Kenneth Gauck
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