Jarl

[kgauck]

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[kgauck]

Are their any jarls who have more than one province? Would they not have the title of thegn or thane?

[AndrewTall]

Are their any jarls who have more than one province? Would they not have the title of thegn or thane?

I wonder sometimes if Cerilians are supposed to know about provinces - so helpful of the population to divide into neat holding size blocks...

I don't think that there are any now, but see no reason for there not to be some in the past or future - or for that reason for a province pair to be 'spiderfell east / spiderfell west' with the province split merely a metagame tag with no Cerilian recognition. The Spiderfell is a good example here of a 'single province' which should actually be 2 or 3 provinces following normal size rules - which would impact source holdings even if the realm otherwise remained similar.

[kgauck]

I wonder sometimes if Cerilians are supposed to know about provinces - so helpful of the population to divide into neat holding size blocks...

Well they certainly don't think about the way a player thinks about a province, as a discreet measure of power, but certainly people are aware of provinces the way medieval people knew about them.

The game necessarily regularizes what would be a set of overlapping jurisdictions of land, law, temple, and guild, so that the diocese of this temple are not necessarily the same thing as this province, and the guild may draw its boundaries differently, but these are interesting details. There is no doubt that people do organize themselves into neat holding size blocks, and they do it for very practical reasons. A person can only supervise so much stuff, with limits as to how many people and how much space one can keep tabs of.

Part of this is geography. People will seek out central places to do business, assemble, establish facilities, defend, and so on. Regular contacts through markets, temples, courts, and other institutions will tend to create a clear sense of place.

Sure in a role playing context, boundaries are neither clear, nor distinct, but that doesn't mean a sense of Romiene is like this and Hidaele is like that doesn't clearly exist. Part of this will be rules that govern market, temple, and court, some of it is place, we go here to pay reverence, taxes, obtain goods, and some of it grows up as circumstance, so that the goat of Romiene has large red spots and the goat of Hidaele has small brown spots.

Given the limitations of travel, its only natural that nearly all associations will be internal, and focused on the central institutions within a province.

[cccpxepoj]

there is many provinces of different sizes on Cerilia, if one "large" province grows in population so that local administration (Graaf, Count, Jarl etc) can't handle it any more, then part of the province will likely cede away and form a new administrative unit.

[kgauck]

Or engage in subinfeudation. This is probabaly how we arrived at the first Barons, Markgrafs, and as I have suggested earlier, thegns.

[Green Knight]

The thegn title is nice for a Rjurik-equivalent baron...didn't think of it before!