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    What about including the female variety of each title?
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    What about a baron-equivalent title for Brecht rules?

    Markgraf for example - i.e. the Graf/Count of a March/Border province...which later gained in importance as more lands were civilized (provinces added to the Markgraf's domain).

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    Markgraf or Margraf sounds good, I always struggle with brechtur because graf is translated as count - it should really go to Duke given the power.

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    Don't think Kenneth had that in mind when he created the Graf page...it's like with Anuire, it's all a mess. The Count of Danigau is really a sovereign (King) after all...
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    Are we really considering that High Brecht is comparable to Greek (graf/graph)? That sounds a bit odd to say the least.

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    Graf is German for Count.

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    I'm not disputing the German, just the "Greek" High Brecht: The word comes from the High Brecht word "graph", meaning "to write", suggesting an origin as an administrative post.

    Are we equating High Brecht with Greek, as we do with Old Andu and Latin?

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    At 06:01 AM 5/7/2009, Thelandrin wrote:

    >I`m not disputing the German, just the "Greek" High Brecht: The word
    >comes from the High Brecht word "graph", meaning "to write",
    >suggesting an origin as an administrative post.
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    >Are we equating High Brecht with Greek, as we do with Old Andu and Latin?

    Are there any other indications that High Brecht comes from
    Greek? If it`s just the one, I think it can be put down to an
    anomaly or a loanword.

    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thelandrin View Post
    I'm not disputing the German, just the "Greek" High Brecht: The word comes from the High Brecht word "graph", meaning "to write", suggesting an origin as an administrative post.

    Are we equating High Brecht with Greek, as we do with Old Andu and Latin?
    imo we shouldnt be looking at greek at all for this.. a graf, (or graaf as we say in dutch) was everything but an administrative post...

    imo greek and germanic languages arent even close

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