New 4E Races

[ShadowMoon]

Dragonborn and tieflings as core player races are for WoW kids, better reserved for special encounters...

Let's keep Birthright mature plz...

[ThatSeanGuy]

let's keep Birthright mature plz...

I'm not even going to say anything.

Anyway, I can take a hint. Sorry to have wasted everyone's time with my ideas.

[Thelandrin]

You're not wasting anybody's time. The wiki is formed by communal consent, so no idea is a bad one... well, flying ninja space gnomes with laser-eyes might be, but still!

[Sorontar]

I would like to say that the most obvious way to consider how "playable" a potential race is would be to consider how welcome they would be in the "existing" Cerilian cities and whether the race themselves have cities and realms that "liaise" with other realms. If negatives to both, then PCs of this race would be treated as monsters/awnies by any community they encountered so they are shouldn't be considered as "standard" PC classes. It would need a major rewrite of Aebrynis history and cultures plus a major change in the Atlas for such things to make sense.

So I would say that a race that has horns on its head or a tail or scaley skin but doesn't have its own cities and law holdings, is not a goer, unless you want to redesign Birthright world as we know it. I suspect that is certainly not what we want to be forced to do for BRCS 4ed. We want to slot the existing Birthright into new editions, not redesign Birthright.

However, as NPC regents, they might be a goer. I mean, look at all the Awnie regents we have now. They certainly wouldn't have worked well as a "standard race" but have bullied and forced their way to where they are today, often changing into their Awnie form in the process.

Sorontar.
ps. I don't know much about how D&D 4ed distinguishes between Elf and Eldarin, but could we twist them into Sidhe and Fey (i.e. Cerilian and SW)?

[Gheal]

All playable BR races (cerilian elves, dwarves, halflings and 5 human races) are not from PH. Even cerilian goblins and orogs are different. And I prefer to keep it that way.

[geeman]

At 06:11 PM 6/22/2008, Sorontar wrote:

>ps. I don`t know much about how D&D 4ed distinguishes between Elf
>and Eldarin, but could we twist them into Sidhe and Fey (i.e. Cerilian and SW)?

I`ve sat down to do a little converting of these races in particular,
and the difference between the 4e elf and eladrin is along the lines
of what we used to call high elves or grey elves and sylvan elves or
wood elves. When it comes to a 4e BR conversion, we need to bear in
mind that in BR there are no wood elves. The Sidhe aren`t "wild" in
the barbarous sense, which is how those D&D elves are often portrayed.

There aren`t grey or high elves either, but the Sidhe might be seen
as the highest of high elves, and as I did a first draft of an
updated race it looks more like the eladrin than elves. Some of the
abilities might mix, of course, but it`s hard to imagine a Cerilian
elf "grant[ing] non-elf allies within 5 squares of you a +1 racial
bonus to Perception checks" the way elves do....

Half-elves seem to need some tweaking too for our purposes. I should
have something readable in the next week or so. I`ll post it when I
get a chance.

Gary

[ShadowMoon]

I'm not even going to say anything.

Anyway, I can take a hint. Sorry to have wasted everyone's time with my ideas.

sorry I sounded harsh, it was aimed at WotC, not You... by all means, share your ideas and thoughts freely, as I have ^^;

i just get really frustrated seeing how capitalism destroys and trashes the essence of RPG, and turns it into pen & paper WoW-like junk fun hoping to get extra pennies from moms and dads, and consumer slave kiddies...

[kgauck]

i just get really frustrated seeing how capitalism destroys and trashes the essence of RPG, and turns it into pen & paper WoW-like junk fun hoping to get extra pennies from moms and dads, and consumer slave kiddies...

Because the gaming world in socialist countries and the pre-industrial world is so very rich and broad.

[ShadowMoon]

Because the gaming world in socialist countries and the pre-industrial world is so very rich and broad.

You should know better what I meant by mentioning capitalism...

[kgauck]

I do not.

The purpose of any business is to reach the largest revenue source it can. If it doesn't, it risks being eclipsed by a new company that does. Relentlessly pursuing improvement is the source of material improvements. Individual businesses may jump the tracks from time to time and offer us a bad product, or presume that the future market lies in some wrong location, but capitalism itself is the golden goose that is entirely responsible for producing a leisure hobby industry aimed at a small percentage of the buying public.