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06-16-2008, 06:11 AM #1
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06-16-2008, 06:23 AM #2
Hogunmark has 13 provinces, but only 6 jarldoms. Can someone please tell me who "controls" what in Hogunmark and how the Rjurik tribes fit with all of this. I am trying to work out some local politics for Valkheim, but I have realised that I don't know whether there is anymore a Jarl of Valkheim, nor whether he/she is a local or not.
Sorontar.
ps. just noticed the law holdings in Hogunmark are listed in the wiki as having different regents. Are these the jarls? Or are these just the chiefs of the tribes that "reside" there?Sorontar
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06-16-2008, 06:52 AM #3
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06-16-2008, 09:31 AM #4
Even where the queen rules directly there need to be a person in the place of the count to run things on a day to day basis, a steward, chancellor, sheriffs, bailiff, reeve, or some official.
We also need to attach last names to people, and in the case of the jarls, apparently first names as well.
The plots assume the death of the monarch, who is described as alive and well in other places in the text. This is a potential source of great confusion, since we who know the PS's are familiar with the unnecessary devise of assuming the regent is dead and your PC is their successor, but any reasonable person visiting without that benefit will wonder what is going on.
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06-16-2008, 09:59 AM #5
Some of my confusion with the Rjurik realms lie in the interaction between the King/Queen and the Jarls. I assume that if your PC is in the King/Queen position you would want to create Vassels of the remaining Jarls. Asking them to contribute something to the welfare of the kingdom.
How much would that be anyway? I seem to remember something in the rules saying no more than 1 RP. What if that one point puts your PC over the maximum RP allowed per turn? Do you still give it to the PC?
Has anyone else turned Jarls into Vassels and what benefit did the PC get from this?
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06-16-2008, 10:12 AM #6
The jarls already are your vassals. Otherwise they'd have sovereign domains. Forcing them to pay tribute would be the kind of humiliation one might visit on a conquered people, not your own sworn oathmen.
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06-16-2008, 08:55 PM #7
From recollection RP from vassalage occurs after the bloodline cap comes in - so it can be used by a king with a low bloodline score to increase RP income via vassals - the capped vassal doesn't get to tithe for free.
'Honest' way to get jarls to contribute GB:
*Visit them to proclaim your affection for them - they of course host the court during your stay meaning that they pay for the food and entertainment.
*Give them the honour of sponsoring a company of men - preferably under church or crown command
*'Agree' that the crown should meet half the cost of an action in their lands as it will benefit both clan and crown.
*Ask them to lend men to some rebuilding / restoration works as charity to their fellows - they of course would not be so churlish as to charge the crown.
*speak of some problem or other that needs attention and bemoan the more serious threat that you need to deal with instead - hint hint
*lavish praise on them at some function and have a skald boast about how they will deal with some problem - soon enough either they do 'what is expected of them' or get labeled a coward.
etc.
In general the more cynical stuff should only be necessary in Anuire, Brechtur, Khinasi - the Rjurik are described as being very clannish and pulling together in the main so jarls should want to contribute - in exchange for the proper respect of course. The downside of getting any vassal to contribute is that they gain prestige and you risk losing it...
To me jarls are ready-made lieutenants, champions, etc. Most have minimal income, if they sponsor the 'summer festival of the folk' or some such then they've paid enough - mostly they should provide the odd unit of scouts and suchlike at most.
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