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05-13-2008, 04:50 PM #21
The problem with this scenario is that typically is the poor loser and his family and followers who wander off. Its a very small number compared to a whole realm, and almost certainly all that would remain would be some curious artifacts and perhaps some Rjurik personal names in use by a Brecht population.
Of the things we know for sure, Hjorig is a Rjurik (or Rjurik hybrid) country. Comments about how its different from the typical Rjurik realm don't make sense if they are at least partly Rjurik. That means a large enough population must have made the journey, either at once or over time, that a fairly substantial part of the population could marry other Rjuriks instead of marrying outside the group.
Whatever impelled these people to move, it wasn't something that effected one person or just a small group. The whole group is in motion for reasons that make sense to a whole group.
There was some thought earlier about people rejecting Erik and embracing Ruornil, and then leaving. This makes sense and has historical analogs. The Pilgrims were Calvanists leaving a high church Anglican estabishment. The Mormons traveled from Illinois to western Missouri, and then to Utah.
Religion doesn't have to be the motive, but the motive does have to effect everyone the way a religious issue would.
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05-13-2008, 09:30 PM #22
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i think that cause of the flight is clearly political, at least they tell us that in the ToHW, and they didn't came from one realm but from a whole region.
Things we don't know is when and why they changed they religion, is it before flight( and that is one of reasons they are different from other Rjurick), or after when they mixed with the Brecht(who still follow the Ruornil in the same region) and perhaps Vos( lost tribe that still followed Lirovka ?!).Last edited by cccpxepoj; 05-13-2008 at 09:35 PM.
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12-30-2009, 03:19 PM #23
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Hjorigers were the first settlers of today's provinces now belonging to Gorgon and sourrounding 'nations'. Not being able to hold on to their lands like Kvigmarians and Hjolvarians (at least on paper) they were left no other choice than to cross the great bay.
Pressed between the Gorgon, Giantdowns, goblins, orogs, elves, expanding Anuirean empire and other human(oid)s this scarce and weakened Rjurik nation thrived futilely for decades until the final decision to flee the area. In winter lands of northern Brechtur (because it was out of reach of most of their past homelands enemies) they've managed better than the natives so their prevalence after 6 centuries of peaceful coexistence is really no surprise.
They've embraced their host's culture and heritage to show gratitude for hospitality.Rey M. - court wizard of Tuarhievel
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