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12-09-2007, 11:13 AM #1
Twelve Tribes & Twelve Duchies
There appears to be an inconsistency between the Twelve Tribes and the Twelve Duchies (and the current countries).
We know that Tuornen broke off from Alamie, that Roesone et al split from Diemed and that the actual Cariele family fled to Coeranys (which is why Coeranys claims to be a Duchy and Cariele is currently termed as a County).
My question, though, is what happened to Brosengae and where did Osoerde spring from? Why has Brosengae lost its place in the Twelve Duchies and why is Osoerde apparently in its place?
Code:TRIBES COUNTRY DUCHIES Anwe Roele/Avan Avanil Boru Boeruine Boeruine Mhora Mhoried Mhoried Elaime Alamie Alamie Deretha Diemed Diemed Aeren Aerenwe Aerenwe Bheallach Bhalaene (Ghoere) Elin Elinie Elinie Brosen Brosengae Osoerde ?? Gehaiste Ghieste (Ghoere) Duireina Taeghas Taeghas Carel Cariele Cariele
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12-09-2007, 05:26 PM #2
Brosengae is a duchy, and her ruler is a duchess. That she only has three little provinces and that her neighbor, a mere county with 8 provinces suggests that at some time in the past, Brosengae lost four or five provinces to Taeghas, either through a series of failed wars, or through rebellions and defections (the dynasty of Brosengae has always had a cool relationship with her people).
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12-10-2007, 03:39 AM #3
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According to the maps in the Iron Throne, Brosengae is listed as a border nation and not one of the twelve duchies.
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12-10-2007, 07:12 AM #4
The list of 12 duchies (the one including Osoerde) is one that Rich Baker detailed quite a while ago as the original 12 duchies. I'd be inclined to go with that.
This, of course, doesn't mean that Brosengae couldn't have subsequently been made a duchy by an emperor (and maybe gaining and losing provinces over time). Or perhaps Avan "granted" them that title when they swore vassalage (which would probably create some legitimacy issues in the eyes of many other members of the higher nobility elsewhere in the empire).
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12-10-2007, 06:29 PM #5
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Brosengae is not a duchy.The duchy is Taeghas,the old Taeghas was formed by Taeghas+the actual Brosengae.So Brosengae is a part of a duchy but is ruled by the lawful duchess.It is different Cariele:the rightful duchess is in a land far from the duchy.
But Elinie should be considered a duchy?In my opinion it should be considered as Ghieste and Bhalaene,an ex duchy because it is true that its land is survived,but the regent has nothing to do with Anuire and there is not any regent in exile.
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12-10-2007, 08:55 PM #6
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12-11-2007, 03:02 AM #8
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Brosengae situation is different because while Cariele's rightful duchess is the regent of a far march (Coeranys),the rightful duchess of Taeghas still control a part of Taeghas duchy:Brosengae.
http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa...-l&D=1&P=22759
So Taeghas is the duchy and Brosen is the regent's family.
Osoerde of course is one of the original duchies.
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12-11-2007, 03:09 AM #9
That's a fine history, but what is its provenance?
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12-11-2007, 08:36 AM #10
That of course doesn't explain why both the Brosen and Taeghas lines are members of the Twelve Tribes or where Osoerde sprang from without being founded by one of the Twelve Tribes.
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