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09-11-2007, 01:55 PM #31
Quite so, Gwrthefyr! But don't forget that such wineswigging wastrels tend to pay the price in the end. The Alevis have been for much of their history a reviled and persecuted people, and the Almoravids, limp from their drink and flowery poetry, were easy prey for the Almohads. When the conquerors in turn took on the vices of the conquered, the Spaniards were all too happy to kick them out in turn.
As for the cyrrhos'd sultan - I remember one of the Abbasid caliphs died of asphyxiation when his half-sister and lover sat on his face for just a little longer than the good man could hold his breath. But that, too, was a somewhat atypical incident...
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09-11-2007, 10:19 PM #32
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09-12-2007, 07:02 AM #33
Suetonius isn't exactly known for his trustworthiness, and people in the know when it comes to the Latin say nasty things about his prose style as well. But then he does write a mean gorefest of a tale!
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09-12-2007, 08:23 AM #34
I wouldn't consider any specific claims reliable in Seutonious, but the general claims attributed to him by cccpxepoj, namely, "it is surprising how power tends to corrupt people, and how immoral thy can become," seems pretty reliable. Sure Seutonious may have elected to relate compelling but questionable stories and likely exagerations to relate the culture of corruption and immorality he saw, rather than less compelling but firmly accurate stories, but these authorial choices do not cast doubt on his ultimate conclusions, which could be argued without any specific social circumstances. The statement, "it is surprising how power tends to corrupt people, and how immoral thy can become," seems pretty solid.
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09-12-2007, 03:57 PM #35
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My point exactly, thank you.
And of course I know that Suetonius is not a reliable source of information but if 99% of his writhing is a lie, then that 1% makes me sick.
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