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03-21-2004, 06:00 PM #21
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> Mark_Aurel wrote:
> The Ruins of Empire describes how the walls of Kal-Saitharak `hum with confined power` or some such. As powerful as the Gorgon is in his place of power, he may not be elsewhere.
> Historically, while the Empire still existed, the Gorgon`s forces were too weak to conquer. When Michael Roele died at the Gorgon`s hands, it may be that the effect was that the Gorgon`s bloodline and power was somehow anchored to his home.
> I think that`s the best way of reunifying several ideas. On the one hand, the Gorgon can`t go out himself and beat everyone up. On the other hand, no coalition of armies could conquer his lands unless they brought along some epic heroes. Since his armies aren`t strong enough to straight up conquer everything, the Gorgon has to rely a lot on intrigues and deceit rather than blunt force, and he had to do so even more so back during the Empire just to survive.
> Essentially, the Gorgon would be in a tantalizing situation - for centuries, he`s had the power to conquer Anuire, but not the ability to use that power.
> If I were to write up how to reflect that idea in game mechanics, I`d say the Gorgon loses his bloodline, bloodline abilities, and all abilities reliant upon those when he travels beyond Kal-Saitharak. That would include spellcasting. As a further flavorful element, I might rule that any items created or spells cast by the Gorgon become inert as well, except realm spell. That`d leave him reliant upon minion spellcasters for many purposes.
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If the Gorgon´s bloodline was not only bound to his realm but actually
to the walls of Battlewaite and as you say that makes him unable to
achieve anything outside, then why does he still have a realm and not
have lost it all, *except* the one province in which his castle stands?
And while losing bloodabilities sounds nice would not like to see the
Gorgon lose his Bloodform - that would contradict his need for a
Bloodhound and Disguisier as hinted in the Book of Magecraft.
bye
Michael
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03-23-2004, 03:40 AM #22
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Mark_Aurel said:
> The Ruins of Empire describes how the walls of Kal-Saitharak `hum with
> confined power` or some such. As powerful as the Gorgon is in his place
> of power, he may not be elsewhere.
><snip!>
> Essentially, the Gorgon would be in a tantalizing situation - for
> centuries, he`s had the power to conquer Anuire, but not the ability to
> use that power.
Interesting concept. It makes great use of the "teasers" of information in
the materials as well. I like!
It also explains why he is keen to "breed" up bloodlines and then
encourage heroic scions to come and face him in his sanctum.
> If I were to write up how to reflect that idea in game mechanics, I`d say
> the Gorgon loses his bloodline, bloodline abilities, and all abilities
> reliant upon those when he travels beyond Kal-Saitharak. That would
> include spellcasting. As a further flavorful element, I might rule that
> any items created or spells cast by the Gorgon become inert as well,
> except realm spell. That`d leave him reliant upon minion spellcasters for
> many purposes.
Simpler, in my opinion, to say that he relies on other spellcasters for
everything and has no spellcasting power himself.
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03-25-2004, 12:40 AM #23
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dekar said:
> I think the following idea was good creative idea why the gorgon hasn`t
> taken over anuire and all of cerilia. Also I think it makes the Gorgon
> something more then just and overly powerful character who comes into
> play just to kick butt.
I find that the players make more use of the Gorgon than I do.
"Oh no, it must be a plot of the Gorgon!", etc.
The fact that he exists have paranoid players constantly looking over
their shoulders and plotting ways to get rid of him for good. Perhaps that
is his plan afterall?
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04-20-2004, 06:00 PM #24
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Ariadne schrieb:
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> Ariadne wrote:
> He,he, if the spider can’t move at all, it can’t jump too (you know, that Str check DC 25) ;)
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Can it ready an action to jump away if the Druid casts a spell? Or can
it act before the Druid if it wins initiative?
> He he, that example druid can fly in (over the forrest for example), fight and fly out. No sain goblin will pay attention to a small bird or bat or other tiny animal, if it only passes. I’m sure even a goblin will not attack any creature it meets just for fun, they won’t notice it (and don’t tell me, that forrest has no animals :) ). And if those troops are searching after the attack? So what! They only have seen a shape changing animal (if at all) and I’m sure they don’t have a “true seeing” at hand... :D
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That is just my view, but I don´t think you can simply fly over the
spiderfell and hope to spot the spider somewhere. My imagination of the
Spiderfell is one of a mixture of an ancient elven forest with giant
trees, but with a very dense foliage so that a bird flying over the
forest might only see a sea of green.
Being a small harmless singing bird *in* a forest with rumoured scores
of tiny to giant spiders who have cobwebs all around should certainly be
entertaining. The scene in "The Hobbit" on their way to the Mountain as
they passed through this wood - wasn´t there a comparable scene with
spiders and cobwebs? mmmh, I wonder how the sidhelien assassin survived
(the one from the Spider´s test) when in bird form. The chances are
certainly worse than for the singing birds who pass through italy... ;-)
> Yeah, that would be an idea. She will naturally know, how large the town is (because of the size of the dead spot). If she is smart, she can guess the number of goblin families (at least a bit) and knows how much villages lie within the spiderfell and where the largest (the center) is ;)
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Does the spell give away that information "In the really large
provincesizeforest you can´t use the spell in a radius around that
point"? Or would the druid have to cast the spell over and over at
different places to find out where it works and where not?
> After that she naturally may spy as an animal or even shape changing into a dire wolf or worg (I’m not sure in the moment, if a worg is an animal or magical beast, but the dire wolf will do) and “serve” as a riding animal for a time ;)
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Which none of the other worgs or riding animals will notice and none of
the goblins would become suspicious that suddenly an additional worg
appears and is ready to be used for riding?
bye
Michael
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04-21-2004, 02:00 AM #25
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Off-topic.
I was considering writing up a special monstrous spider that can
commonly be found in the guildhalls, jailhouses, churches, courts, and
palaces of other lands. Harmless by itself, it`s bite is capable of
passing an infection that allows The Spider to hear a victim`s thoughts,
see through their senses, and dominate their wills for a short time.
The victim also suffers from hallucinations and a bad fever, and the
desease rules should be used. The effects last only for about a day.
Only blooded characters can support the magical bond. Non-blooded
characters simply suffer the physical effects of the venom, not the
mental or mystical effects. But the effects don`t go away after a day;
normal desease rules apply.
Its more of flavor material and a plot-hook than an actual monster meant
to fight. It could be the cause of the hysteria of a small town, or any
numerous other plothooks. I have an adventure where a sorceress
collected these creatures but they got free and consumed her and she
awoke as an awnsheigh, in a symbiotic relationship with The Spider.
She`s sort of a cross between spiderman and dracula, having similiar
powers to both.
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04-21-2004, 02:40 AM #26
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> No probably not too high, but not too low either. Tal-Qazar is not a
> supergenius, but he isn`t stupid either. His mastery of riddles just
> comes from being around for 2000 years
Chronicle of the Riddle-Master
"Dream of the ships, proud and true. Calm of the ocean, flat and
blue." A nursery rhyme. All of this suffering, death, war. For a
nursery rhyme. Why? Why?
The men know when they look at me that I lost. Not just the battle.
Not just the dead lying in the field. They`re soldiers. They`re
prepared for that. But some of them saw me in those last moments, and
those that didn`t see had heard about it by now.
"I don`t understand!!" I cried out again and again, struggling against
her webbing. But she just looked at me, and the she-beast bored into my
mind mercilessly. I faught it. The men saw me fight it. They saw me
lose.
One by one my defenses were torn down. How long was I there agonizing
under her gaze while her powers raped my brain, tearing down everything
I was bit by bit, taking every memory I have and passing over it,
disinterested. All the secrets of the kingdom that I was charged to
protect were layed before her. The names of spies. The placement of
scouts. Our supply routes. Everything. But the beast wasn`t
interested in any of it. She went into me and took the memories that
were most private. The birth of my daughter. My first battle. My
twelfth nameday. Until finally...
"Ahhh. There you are."
"Dream of the ships, proud and true. Calm of the ocean, flat and
blue."
She found what she wanted. And she left, taking nothing with her, she
descended into the earth. And my men looked at me with horror. When
they drew their swords, I wasn`t sure if it was to cut me from the webs
or run me through.
But in that moment, I too, was victorious. Her defenses came down as
she clung to my childhood memory and drew it into her own mind and there
I saw it... merge... with the other riddles. And I saw her greed, her
insatiable hunger, for the Book of Nights deep in the warrens of the
earth.
I have one of the riddles. She has three. Preserved as common riddles
in various dialects of anuire, the secrets have been passed on for...
How long? How many more riddles does she need to get the Insight to
read that dread book? Seven. Probably more. At least seven, I know
that.
I also know that I have a long road ahead of me if I am going to get
them first. Who do I turn to for help? Not my men who have lost faith
in me? Why would they believe me? I can go to thr church. Or the
tower in the ancient southern woods. They have libraries that must
contain vast information. Surely I`ll find one of the riddles I need
there. Maybe the king will have soldiers and sages who can help me.
Magicians and clerics and crusaders will surely not laugh at my claims,
but will help me catch and hunt this beast.
But no. This knowledge was meant to be preserved, hidden. I don`t know
how this beast learned of the Insight, but it must be stopped quickly.
We must keep our party small and travel quickly, but how will such a
small party face such a dread awnsheigh? I`ll need help. And I need to
get it fast. Who to trust? Soldiers, of course. Clerics, magicians,
storykeepers, men of wilderness, men of cities. Where can I find such
men?
I need a drink. A very stiff drink.
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04-26-2004, 09:20 AM #27
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06-12-2004, 10:20 PM #28
At 03:21 PM 6/12/2004 +0200, RaspK_FOG wrote:
>You ask if 1 GB should represent 5.000 gp instead of the typical 2.000 gp
>for reasons of working out the math? I don`t think it`s half bad but I
>can`t give a good estimate, since I don`t have the book... So, that would
>make those 500.000 gp castles you mentioned cost only 100 GB instead of
>the "normal" 250; I think it`s good.
I use 1GB = 10,000gp and the math works pretty well for that regarding
things like castles, other construction, mustering troops, etc.
Gary
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anacreon schrieb:
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> anacreon wrote:
> Ahem... Why would the anuirean double-headed eagle carry an orb with a cross (usually meant to symbolize the rule of Christianity)? Has the Christian god arrived in Cerilia?
>
The orb stands for the world or the empire and could stand for the
desire of the Anuirean Empire to rule the entire continent of Cerilia or
the whole wolrd Aebrynnis. And the cross could simply be the symbol of
Haelyns sword hilt. So you could use the picture without any connection
to christianity or real-world.
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Michael
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08-29-2004, 07:20 PM #30
At 06:57 PM 8/29/2004 +0200, irdeggman wrote:
>There are none with levels of noble? Even though that class is still
>being decided it is significant for at least some of the regents.
Prince Avan, for instance, should have just enough levels as a fighter to
allow him to fight "Brecht style" and the rest of his levels should be as a
noble (the one being proposed for the BRCS, not the "armiger" style that
others have suggested.) As a 12th level character he might not require any
levels as a fighter at all given that he has five feats from his character
levels.
>Also since the use of prestige classes are purely optional (per the DMG pg
>176) I would give none any levels in them, unless you include a varaint
>writeup listing them.
Most of the landed regents probably won`t have levels in a prestige
class--unless one is going to premise some sort of regent-type prestige
class, that is. Guilders are similarly a little difficult to justify in
the prestige classes that have come out in D20 products. That`s not
because they don`t qualify or anything. The prestige classes just seem to
be less regent-like. Likewise for wizard/source holders. When it comes to
the temple regents, however, it`s harder to justify not having a few levels
here and there in a few prestige classes, particularly since almost all the
individual gods of Cerilia would seem to lend themselves to one or more
such classes.
I`m not sure what to do about prestige other than to suggest about prestige
classes since one of the stated goals of the BRCS update is that only the
core texts should be required. Maybe there should be a note that where
levels in a prestige class are noted the character could just be redefined
as straight clerics (or druids) if one doesn`t have access to the
particular D20 product in which the prestige class is written up?
Gary
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