Speaking of Shadow Stone

[Birthright-L]

> Barrataria wrote:

> Does anyone here know the complete list of players' secrets books

> published? Or have a link to them?Any thoughts on particularly good or

> bad ones are welcome. Thanks.BB





I enjoyed the Player`s Secrets of Endier. It was my first introduction

to the Birthright world, and afterward I had to buy the campaign

setting.



The Player`s Secrets of Rhoesone is enjoyable, though doesn`t really say

anything new. Still, I`d recommend it.



P.s. One of the things I liked about PSoEndier was that it included

details on the first turn, including all income and clearly showed

expenses. I wish they had all done this. It would have made setting up

my campaign easier, because most realms seem to be in the negative if

you keep court costs constant. (Speaking strictly 2e here.)



--Lord Rahvin

[ConjurerDragon]

Anthony Juarez schrieb:

>> Barrataria wrote:

>> Does anyone here know the complete list of players' secrets books

>> published? Or have a link to them?Any thoughts on particularly good or

>> bad ones are welcome. Thanks.BB



> I enjoyed the Player`s Secrets of Endier. It was my first introduction

> to the Birthright world, and afterward I had to buy the campaign

> setting.

> The Player`s Secrets of Rhoesone is enjoyable, though doesn`t really say

> anything new. Still, I`d recommend it.

> P.s. One of the things I liked about PSoEndier was that it included

> details on the first turn, including all income and clearly showed

> expenses. I wish they had all done this. It would have made setting up

> my campaign easier, because most realms seem to be in the negative if

> you keep court costs constant. (Speaking strictly 2e here.)

> --Lord Rahvin



PS of Endier also has an important fact/error - the castle of level 6

costs 6 GB upkeep (what as I assume means 1 GB per level of the castle).

Normal Rules have 1 GB upkeep for a castle, equally how large it is and

I found the number from the Endier book much more realistic and

believable than the rule from the rulebook ;-)



Nothing compared to the castles in Björn Ruins of Empire campaign

however - these castles must be built from pure white marble seeing the

building cost as compared to the original 2E rules :-)

bye

Michael

[Green Knight]

But then again you make a bit more money too ;-)



Cheers

Bjørn

[Doyle]

> I didn`t scan any of the covers of the Player`s Secret books though,

> didn`t really see the point.



They should be out there somewhere - probably with WoTC`s promotional

stuff - I know I wound up with some JPG`s of them while looking for

something else.



Doyle

[Doyle]

I have some, the zipped file is 255k, what address do you want it sent

to?





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Vampire wrote:

Thanks. There are some good pics there. I agree there normally

wouldn`t be much point in the Player`s Secrets covers but I`m making a

Birthright Risk Computer game and I wanted to have the different crests

to represent each player`s starting nation. Ah well, I may just have to

borrow a digital camera. Thanks anyway.



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The limiting factor for the Spider`s power is the fact that as he grows in

power he gets fewer and fewer xp for what ever it is that he`s doing. The

problem here, is that where ever you set the Spider`s level you are making a

persumptive judgement about the challenges he faces, and therefore the

average level of elite adventurers in Anuire and Cerilia.



This raises the issue that major campaign villains ought to be scalable to

fit the vision of the DM. DM`s can do this themselves, but they can make

the Spider from scratch too. Scalable villains make sense.



Kenneth Gauck

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[ConjurerDragon]

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>...

> I`d say that, using the revised 3.5 mechanics for scions, the next 2 (3?) levels after Desimaar should be as a Scion of Azrai, as he has a True bloodline. What needs to be hammered out after that is just how many monster (awnshegh) levels the Spider has acquired in the last 2000 years. Gods know he hasn`t been entirely passive in all that time - he may be insane, but he`s obviously not stupid or incapable of learning and adapting, otherwise the Anuirean Empire would have crushed him and the Spiderfell long, long ago.

>

> I thought I read a reference somewhere (perhaps in the original 2e description?)that the Spider as a goblin was a great goblin general at Deismaar, and I`d say probably the general of all the goblins there. That being said, 13 levels as a fighter is easily believable when we`re comparing him to most of the goblin commanders of Cerilia at that time!

>

If we take into account not only the rulebooks, but also the storys

then, at the end of the novel "Spider´s Test" is a short story of the

Spider becoming THE SPIDER.

There he is on p. 289 just at the battle of Mt. Deismaar described as:

"...Having cast all his spells, he drew the twin curved, serrated swords

that had become his trademark..." and a bit later he is named "the

Sorceror".



On p. 293 he encounters a different group of goblins from the Stone

Crown Mountains who lost their King.



And even later in that story he fights and kills a human knight, where

his following goblins are all astonished that a single goblin can stand

up to a human knight in plate armour and not only win, but toy around

with his enemy.



Other quotes tell us that he fought the Deretha (the 5th tribe of the

Andu). But the Mhors fought a goblin kingdom and razed Kar-Durgar.



IMO to make Tal-Quazar THE goblin leader of all goblins is making more

of him than he was at Deismaar and I can´t see a united goblin empire

under his rule. The goblin leader of the South Coast would be more to my

liking, with other goblins ruling in the Stonecrowns and in nowadays

Mhoried, and perhaps fighting under his lead when the sidhelien changed

sides and killed some of the other leaders sounds more plausible.



While nonsense in gameterms I would see the Spider as a Sorceror 4 (so

that he could have used the Web spell even before Deismaar), Ranger 5

with favoured enemy sidhelien and human (and having Wild Empathy for

animals). An on top of that would then come the "scion class levels" to

show that Birthright bows to the 3E dictate of balance..

bye

Michael

[Birthright-L]

I believe that mentioned something like this as well; it seemed like a

pretty safe bet given the Gorgon`s power and intelligence.



--

John Machin

(trithemius@kallisti.net.nz)

"Nothing is more beautiful than to know the All."

- Athanasius Kircher, `The Great Art of Knowledge`.

[Birthright-L]

bulletmagnet said:

> Rather than a straight up "kill em all" mentality which seems to be

> prevelant on this forum.



With the Gorgon I don`t think it is a case of "kill `em all", but rather

"be the most powerful". Perhaps, as some have suggested, the Gorgon *is*

pursuing apotheosis through careful cultivation and absorbtion of Anuirean

bloodlines (although I, for one, consider this kind of road to godhood to

be impossible its highly likely that the Gorgon might not know that).



--

John Machin

(trithemius@kallisti.net.nz)

"Nothing is more beautiful than to know the All."

- Athanasius Kircher, `The Great Art of Knowledge`.

[Birthright-L]

Osprey said:

> Along those lines, but giving the Gorgon less personal credit for having

> any shreds of goodness himself, is that Michael Roele`s spirit still

> haunts him. A friend of mine suggested that if the Gorgon did bloodtheft

> Michael, imagine if Michale`s bloodline was so strong that the Gorgon`s

> blood simply couldn`t fully absorb it. So Michael Roele`s voice is like

> a ghost in his his mind, the maddening voice of conscience that the

> Raesene had silenced within himself long ago. Now, for the last 500

> years, this voice has been there, even giving him occasional urges to

> be...merciful, or kind, or happy...and when his thoughts turn toward

> conquering Anuire, the land that should have been ripe for the picking

> for 5 centuries now, then the voice becomes distracting to the point of

> madness. In fact, Raesene may now be going mad, and the more he tries to

> focus on his conquest, the faster his descent into that pit of darkness,

> that doom of immortals...



Shades of White Wolf`s World of Darkness take on vampiric diablerie?



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John Machin

(trithemius@kallisti.net.nz)

"Nothing is more beautiful than to know the All."

- Athanasius Kircher, `The Great Art of Knowledge`.