Any of the 'new classes' in use?

[Ragathol]

Wizards is pumping out new 3.5 material like some asian sweathouse, so I was wondering if any of you birthright DM's out there have integrated any of the newer core classes into your games? I have some ideas for a society of Azrai worshipping Warlocks. The Duskblade is also a nice fit for an elite member of Tuarhevil's military.

Any thoughts?

[prince_dios]

Well, I looked into the PHB II's Knight class, and found it to be pretty overblown and goofy.

Which is a shame, since the Fighter class doesn't provide enough skill points for a knightly character. I thought of remedying the problem by forcing blooded fighters to begin as Nobles to represent their time as a page/squire, but I'm not sure how that would go over with my group.

As a rule of thumb, I try to keep all Wizards books besides the PHB off my table. And even the PHB bothers me with its ugliness from time to time... :P

[Thelandrin]

Well, personally, I liked the Knight class, as well as the Duskblade (which would do well for some of the Sidhelien fighter-mages) and the Beguiler.

I also like AEG's Courtier class from Rokugan, which would fit well into Cerilia's political theme, but I'm a little concerned that it might be too powerful.

[ShadowMoon]

Well for my Birthright 3.5E campaign I use feats to represent Knights. Like Squire feat, Knight Errant feat, etc...
And there are Knight prestige classess that represents various knightly orders.

In addition; I do not use Noble class, because IMHO all classess could be nobles without multiclassing, though I use some prestige classess that focus on administration, rulling, etc.
But basically I use Noble feats.

Anyway, I use more optional rules than core, like wound points, stamina, sanity, armor absorbation, LA levels, alternative alignment system, etc...

Lately I started developing new class system, that will not have classess like Fighter, Wizard, etc, but they would chose their path like focus on Combat, Devotion, Lore, and Stealth. Thus meeting prerequisites for feats and abilities. Every level would grant CP (Character Points) so characters will buy skills, saves, vitality, etc within limitation. So You can have like a warrior type character with evasion that could channel divine magic. So every class ability is now available for taking by any character if he/she meets prerequisites and spends enough CPs.

I hope this is not to much confusing, but there are to many changes to mention, and to elaborate their purpose, but bottom line is this; All changes I made for my Birthright campaign serves perfectly for Birthright fantasy (not WOTC childish core D&D) feel. At least for me and my crew.

Bests,

Aleksandar Maksimilian Licul

[Thelandrin]

I presume you're using something similar to the Generic Classes option in Unearthed Arcana? Interesting choice. Have you considered also using some sort of "weapon groups" idea as well, or not?

[ShadowMoon]

I presume you're using something similar to the Generic Classes option in Unearthed Arcana? Interesting choice. Have you considered also using some sort of "weapon groups" idea as well, or not?

Yes but I separated them like this:

Simple Weapon Proficiency: Light Melee Weapons
= Martial Weapon Proficiency: Light Melee Weapons
= Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Light Melee Weapons

Simple Weapon Proficiency: One–Handed Melee Weapons
= Martial Weapon Proficiency: One–Handed Melee Weapons
= Exotic Weapon Proficiency: One–Handed Melee Weapons

Simple Weapon Proficiency: Two–Handed Melee Weapons
= Martial Weapon Proficiency: Two–Handed Melee Weapons
= Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Two–Handed Melee Weapons

Simple Weapon Proficiency: Ranged Weapons
= Martial Weapon Proficiency: Ranged Weapons
= Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Ranged Weapons

Light Armor Proficiency
= Medium Armor Proficiency
= Heavy Armor Proficiency

Light Shield Proficiency
= Heavy Shield Proficiency
= Tower Shield Proficiency

So one feat is basically prerequisite to other.

EDIT: I thought of making groups like: Hilted Weapons; Hafted Weapons; Pole Weapons, etc, but in the end I abandoned it...

[Ragathol]

Well, I looked into the PHB II's Knight class, and found it to be pretty overblown and goofy.

Which is a shame, since the Fighter class doesn't provide enough skill points for a knightly character. I thought of remedying the problem by forcing blooded fighters to begin as Nobles to represent their time as a page/squire, but I'm not sure how that would go over with my group.

As a rule of thumb, I try to keep all Wizards books besides the PHB off my table. And even the PHB bothers me with its ugliness from time to time... :P

seriously? hehe, that makes us polar opposites i dont like anything NON-wizards in my games. ah well, different strokes for different folks. i even seen a guy on here who still has people that play 2nd ed



i guess, to refine my question a little bit, i'll do an example. the Warlock.. coincidentally, my favorite new class

Warlocks are sort of like arcane casters with a demonic tilt, with a smaller repotoire of abilities but a strong set, to be sure. It's easy enough to make a Warlock geared for diplomacy and interaction, which would lead me to my game hook: a small coven of Aniurean Azrai-blooded Warlocks among the nobility that work to keep the political stalemate fresh through their influence with the leaders of their provinces. All the better to keep an emperor off the throne, and thusly incapable of uniting Cerilia for a second run at the Gorgon's Crown.

[Thelandrin]

My group were trying out some of the new classes in Birthright. We concluded that the warmage just didn't fit at all and that you could only justify Warlocks as blooded scions of Azrai or Vorynn only.

(It didn't help that the warmage was also an Elf, in a stunning display of "who cares about the background"...)

[irdeggman]

I haven't seen a warlock tried yet.

But a tie to the shadow world could work there. Something like a halfling warlock. Not really demonic descent but rather other worldly (as in the Shadow World).

Scout (complete Adventurerer) would be a very good class - especially for the Rjurik and elves.

[Thelandrin]

During a dual attempt to extend my roleplaying skills and play a True bloodline, I designed and played Lachlan, son of Rhuobhe Manslayer. I used the standard Ranger class (with Favoured Enemy: Humans of course), but instead of the combat style, I opted for Fast Movement at 2nd-level, which I thought fit the theme better.
I was also planning to use the Darkwood Stalker PrC from Complete Warrior, which is usually themed towards Orcs, but the fluff is perfect for a Cerilian Elf hunting humans.